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MSI Alpha 15 Hands-On Gaming Laptop Review: Ryzen and Navi instead of Intel and NVIDIA

Klaus Hinum, J. Simon Leitner (translated by Alex Alderson), 11/01/2019

A game-changer? AMD made its comeback into the CPU business with its Ryzen series not only on desktops but also on laptops. The company made a similar foray into the GPU market with its Navi desktop cards earlier this year, a move that it is trying to replicate on laptops with its Navi 14 GPUs. NVIDIA has dominated the upper midrange of laptop GPUs for a while, but AMD is looking to change that, offering consumers more choice in the process. Read on to find out what we think of one the first upcoming all-AMD laptops.

Positioned at around US$1,000, the MSI Alpha 15 brings something genuinely new to the gaming laptop market. Value for money is the name of the game, the most important player of which here being AMD. Ryzen processors have already shown what the American company can do in the mobile CPU market, equalling Intel Core i5 chips in many respects. Until now, NVIDIA has only been the only choice for people looking for a laptop that can handle 1080p gaming. Variants of the GeForce GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 Ti can handle most modern triple-A titles at decent framerates at this resolution, but AMD has something up its sleeve, and the MSI Alpha 15 is one of the first examples of it.

Please note that we conducted our hands-on review with a pre-production model of the Alpha 15 with which MSI kindly provided us. Since the laptop does not necessarily represent how the retail unit will perform, we have avoided awarding a final rating or measurements for some areas. We shall submit a full review when we have a retail model, though.

MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
Graphics adapter
AMD Radeon RX 5500M - 4096 MB, GDDR6
Memory
16384 MB 
, Dual-Channel DDR4-2400, 2 x 8 GB
Display
15.6 inch 16:9, 1920 x 1080 pixel 141 PPI, AU Optronics B156HAN13.0 (AUOD0ED), IPS, 120 Hz, glossy: no
Storage
Toshiba KBG30ZMV256G, 256 GB 
Connections
4 USB 3.0 / 3.1 Gen1, 1 DisplayPort, 1 Kensington Lock, Audio Connections: Dedicated headphone and microphone jacks, Card Reader: SD Card (XC/HC)
Networking
Killer E2600 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (10/100/1000/2500/5000MBit/s), Realtek 8822CE Wireless LAN 802.11ac PCI-E NIC (a/b/g/n = Wi-Fi 4/ac = Wi-Fi 5), Bluetooth 4.2
Size
height x width x depth (in mm): 27.5 x 357.7 x 248 ( = 1.08 x 14.08 x 9.76 in)
Battery
51 Wh Lithium-Ion
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64 Bit
Camera
Primary Camera: 2 MPix
Released
10/22/2019
Weight
2.3 kg ( = 81.13 oz / 5.07 pounds) ( = 0 oz / 0 pounds)
Note: The manufacturer may use components from different suppliers including display panels, drives or memory sticks with similar specifications.

 

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Device Overview

RatingDateModelWeightHeightSizeResolutionBest Price
11/2019MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
3750H, Radeon RX 5500M
2.3 kg27.5 mm15.6"1920x1080
80%07/2019Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
3750H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
2.2 kg26.8 mm15.6"1920x1080
79%10/2019Dell G3 3590
9300H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
2.5 kg21.6 mm15.6"1920x1080
77%09/2019Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
9300H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
2.1 kg23.9 mm15.6"1920x1080
82%07/2019HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
9300H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
2.3 kg25 mm15.6"1920x1080
83%05/2019Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2
9300H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
2.2 kg27 mm15.6"1920x1080
83%08/2019Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH-81SX00B2GE
9750H, GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
2.2 kg26 mm15.6"1920x1080
84%08/2019HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
9750H, GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
2.4 kg23.4 mm15.6"1920x1080
83%05/2019Asus ROG GA502DU
3750H, GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
2.1 kg20.4 mm15.6"1920x1080

Case

The Alpha 15 has a simple design, with the flourishes on the back and bottom of the device the only external indications that it is a gaming laptop. MSI has relied on cheap materials too, with the chassis mostly made of plastic. Undoubtedly, the aim of choosing plastic over metal is to keep the device on the more competitive side of US$1,000. The device is not all plastic though, with MSI opting for an aluminium display lid, which gives the display excellent stability. Incidentally, the Alpha 15 is probably based on the same design as MSI used with the GL65 9SEK, which we reviewed earlier this month.

The Alpha 15 weighs and is about as thick as its competitors. Our pre-production weighs 2.3 kg (~5.1 lb) and is about 27 mm (~1.1 in) thick, both of which will probably remain the same on the final retail unit. Only the Dell G3 15 3590 is noticeably slimmer than the Alpha 15 of those in our comparison chart, but the Lenovo IdeaPad L340 is a few hundred grams lighter.

Size Comparison

365 mm / 14.4 inch 260 mm / 10.2 inch 26 mm / 1.024 inch 2.2 kg4.85 lbs363 mm / 14.3 inch 255 mm / 10 inch 27 mm / 1.063 inch 2.2 kg4.76 lbs360.4 mm / 14.2 inch 262 mm / 10.3 inch 26.8 mm / 1.055 inch 2.2 kg4.92 lbs365.5 mm / 14.4 inch 254 mm / 10 inch 21.6 mm / 0.85 inch 2.5 kg5.41 lbs363 mm / 14.3 inch 254.6 mm / 10 inch 23.9 mm / 0.941 inch 2.1 kg4.59 lbs357.7 mm / 14.1 inch 248 mm / 9.76 inch 27.5 mm / 1.083 inch 2.3 kg5.07 lbs360 mm / 14.2 inch 256 mm / 10.1 inch 23.4 mm / 0.921 inch 2.4 kg5.24 lbs

Maintenance

The Alpha 15 is relatively easy to open, and all relevant components are accessible. Unfavourably, MSI has placed the screw securing the M.2 2280 SSD beneath the heatsink, meaning that one must remove the latter to access the former. The fans, heatsink, 2.5-inch drive, RAM and other components are freely accessible though.

Input Devices

Keyboard & Trackpad

The Alpha 15 should come with a standard Steelseries keyboard, the likes of which MSI currently uses in the GL65 9SEK. The keyboard in our pre-production model has per-key RGB backlighting and delivers pleasant haptics. The trackpad is fine too.

An old acquaintance: A Steelseries keyboard with RGB lighting
An old acquaintance: A Steelseries keyboard with RGB lighting

Display

According to initial information, MSI will offer the Alpha 15 with either 120 or 144 Hz displays. The latter will cost around €100 (~US$111) more than the former. Our pre-production model has the entry-level 120 Hz display, a 1080p panel manufactured by AU Optronics. The display, which carries the model number AUOD0ED, fits well with the targeted performance of the Ryzen 7 3750H and Radeon RX 5500M.

The Alpha 15 achieved a rather unspectacular peak average brightness of 266 cd/m² according to X-Rite i1Pro 2, but a decent black level of 0.18 cd/m² that yields a pleasingly high contrast ratio of 1,506:1. The panel has an acceptable colour reproduction, with ColorChecker and greyscale DeltaE deviations of 4.38 and 2.1 respectively. However, its limited colour space coverage results in significant variations with red and blue tones. Calibrating the display mainly improved the white point.

The display in our pre-production model also averaged 26.4 ms response times from black to white and 36.1 ms from 50% to 80% grey. These are noticeably longer than the Legion Y540 and HP Pavilion Gaming 15 achieved, both of which have 144 Hz panels. The 144 Hz version of the Alpha 15 may have better response times than its 120 Hz pre-production colleague too.

Sub-pixel array: Distortion caused by matte coating
Sub-pixel array: Distortion caused by matte coating
CalMAN: Greyscale - uncalibrated
CalMAN: Greyscale - uncalibrated
CalMAN: Greyscale - calibrated
CalMAN: Greyscale - calibrated
CalMAN: Colorchecker - calibrated (noticeable improvements only with white values)
CalMAN: Colorchecker - calibrated (noticeable improvements only with white values)
CalMAN: Colorchecker - uncalibrated
CalMAN: Colorchecker - uncalibrated
265
cd/m²
276
cd/m²
259
cd/m²
259
cd/m²
271
cd/m²
257
cd/m²
261
cd/m²
282
cd/m²
260
cd/m²
Distribution of brightness
AU Optronics B156HAN13.0 (AUOD0ED)
X-Rite i1Pro 2
Maximum: 282 cd/m² Average: 265.6 cd/m² Minimum: 13 cd/m²
Brightness Distribution: 91 %
Center on Battery: 266 cd/m²
Contrast: 1506:1 (Black: 0.18 cd/m²)
ΔE Color 4.38 | 0.6-29.43 Ø6, calibrated: 4.29
ΔE Greyscale 2.1 | 0.64-98 Ø6.2
Gamma: 2.15
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AU Optronics B156HAN13.0 (AUOD0ED), IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
Panda LM156LF-GL, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Dell G3 3590
BOE NV15N3D, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
CMN 156HCA-EAB, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH-81SX00B2GE
BOE 084D, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
LG Philips LGD05FE, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Response Times
6%
-25%
-22%
66%
58%
Response Time Grey 50% / Grey 80% *
36.1
30.4 (14, 16.4)
16%
46 (22, 24)
-27%
45.6 (23.6, 22)
-26%
8.8 (4, 4.4)
76%
16.4 (8.4, 8)
55%
Response Time Black / White *
26.4
27.6 (17.6, 10)
-5%
32.4 (18.4, 14)
-23%
30.8 (16.8, 14)
-17%
12 (6.8, 5.2)
55%
10.4 (5.2, 5.2)
61%
PWM Frequency
200 (98)
25910 (20)
Screen
-34%
-20%
-15%
-5%
15%
Brightness middle
271
286.2
6%
276.2
2%
275
1%
299
10%
345
27%
Brightness
266
267
0%
261
-2%
253
-5%
290
9%
324
22%
Brightness Distribution
91
84
-8%
86
-5%
83
-9%
89
-2%
86
-5%
Black Level *
0.18
0.33
-83%
0.24
-33%
0.18
-0%
0.29
-61%
0.42
-133%
Contrast
1506
867
-42%
1151
-24%
1528
1%
1031
-32%
821
-45%
Colorchecker DeltaE2000 *
4.38
5.45
-24%
5.56
-27%
5.4
-23%
3.7
16%
1.3
70%
Colorchecker DeltaE2000 max. *
17.6
18.08
-3%
23.45
-33%
21.3
-21%
7
60%
2.8
84%
Colorchecker DeltaE2000 calibrated *
4.29
4.47
-4%
5.23
-22%
4.4
-3%
2
53%
1.1
74%
Greyscale DeltaE2000 *
2.1
5.3
-152%
2.8
-33%
3.7
-76%
4.1
-95%
1.2
43%
Gamma
2.15 102%
2.1 105%
2.37 93%
2.12 104%
2.19 100%
2.31 95%
CCT
6867 95%
7679 85%
6710 97%
6376 102%
7166 91%
6476 100%
Color Space (Percent of AdobeRGB 1998)
37.6
37.8
40.8
59.3
60.5
Color Space (Percent of sRGB)
59.1
59
63.6
91.5
94.9
Total Average (Program / Settings)
-14% / -27%
-23% / -21%
-19% / -16%
31% / 8%
37% / 23%

* ... smaller is better

Display Response Times

Display response times show how fast the screen is able to change from one color to the next. Slow response times can lead to afterimages and can cause moving objects to appear blurry (ghosting). Gamers of fast-paced 3D titles should pay special attention to fast response times.
       Response Time Black to White
26.4 ms ... rise ↗ and fall ↘ combined↗ ms rise
↘ ms fall
The screen shows relatively slow response rates in our tests and may be too slow for gamers.
In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.8 (minimum) to 240 (maximum) ms. » 52 % of all devices are better.
This means that the measured response time is similar to the average of all tested devices (24.9 ms).
       Response Time 50% Grey to 80% Grey
36.1 ms ... rise ↗ and fall ↘ combined↗ ms rise
↘ ms fall
The screen shows slow response rates in our tests and will be unsatisfactory for gamers.
In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.9 (minimum) to 636 (maximum) ms. » 32 % of all devices are better.
This means that the measured response time is similar to the average of all tested devices (39.6 ms).

Screen Flickering / PWM (Pulse-Width Modulation)

To dim the screen, some notebooks will simply cycle the backlight on and off in rapid succession - a method called Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) . This cycling frequency should ideally be undetectable to the human eye. If said frequency is too low, users with sensitive eyes may experience strain or headaches or even notice the flickering altogether.
Screen flickering / PWM not detected

In comparison: 51 % of all tested devices do not use PWM to dim the display. If PWM was detected, an average of 9266 (minimum: 43 - maximum: 142900) Hz was measured.

Performance

Gaming laptops equipped with an AMD CPU and GPU have been relatively rare, primarily because of the lack of available graphics cards in recent years. The introduction of Navi 14 GPUs changes that, with AMD laying the foundations for a comeback. AMD bases the 7 nm chips on its Radeon DNA (RDNA) architecture, and are expected to challenge the power and performance of current midrange NVIDIA laptop cards.

BIOS and driver revisions play a part in not only the performance but also emissions of components. In this respect, we would like to point out once again that the following benchmarks and measurements are based on a pre-production model. Hence, it does not necessarily represent how retail units will perform.

Processor

The Ryzen 7 3750H is well known around these parts, with AMD having introduced the quad-core chip in early 2019. Since then, the processor has appeared in several laptops that we have tested. The Ryzen 7 3750H roughly compares with the Core i5-9300H in synthetic benchmarks, putting the former in the entry-level segment of mobile gaming CPUs.

However, the Ryzen 7 3750H in our pre-production Alpha 15 unit does not quite live up to the billing. According to our tests, the Alpha 15 fell around 5% behind other Ryzen 7 3750H powered devices and even those equipped with the Core i5-9300H. The Alpha 15 did not fare well under sustained load either, with it losing out by between 5% and 10% in Cinebench R15 Multi 64Bit. The device also throttles by around 5% after a few benchmark pass-throughs.

Overall, the Ryzen 7 3750H has the potential to deliver much better multi-core performance than the Alpha 15 manages. The ROG Zephyrus G GA502DU scores around 15% more than the Alpha 15 does, for example.

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MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H: Ø710 (702.9-730.11)
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H: Ø741 (732.32-778.15)
Dell G3 3590 Intel Core i5-9300H, Intel Core i5-9300H: Ø740 (702.49-787.7)
Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2 Intel Core i5-9300H, Intel Core i5-9300H: Ø707 (700.72-757)
Asus ROG GA502DU AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H: Ø790 (787.28-796.5)
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE Intel Core i5-9300H, Intel Core i5-9300H: Ø755 (746.1-761.43)
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng Intel Core i5-9300H, Intel Core i5-9300H: Ø748 (730.55-769.02)
Cinebench R15
CPU Single 64Bit
Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2
Intel Core i5-9300H
176 Points ∼100% +20%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
Intel Core i5-9300H
176 Points ∼100% +20%
Dell G3 3590
Intel Core i5-9300H
172 Points ∼98% +17%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H
171 Points ∼97% +16%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
157 Points ∼89% +7%
Average of class Gaming
  (77 - 212, n=529)
157 Points ∼89% +7%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
147 Points ∼84%
Average AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
  (135 - 157, n=4)
146 Points ∼83% -1%
Asus ROG GA502DU
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
144 Points ∼82% -2%
CPU Multi 64Bit
Average of class Gaming
  (196 - 2022, n=532)
834 Points ∼100% +14%
Asus ROG GA502DU
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
805 Points ∼97% +10%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
Intel Core i5-9300H
801 (min: 748.64, max: 797.24) Points ∼96% +10%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
799 Points ∼96% +9%
Dell G3 3590
Intel Core i5-9300H
790 Points ∼95% +8%
Average AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
  (730 - 805, n=4)
779 Points ∼93% +7%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H
769 Points ∼92% +5%
Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2
Intel Core i5-9300H
757 Points ∼91% +4%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
730 (min: 702.9, max: 730.11) Points ∼88%
Cinebench R15 CPU Multi 64Bit
730 Points
Cinebench R15 OpenGL 64Bit
85 fps
Cinebench R15 Ref. Match 64Bit
98 %
Cinebench R15 CPU Single 64Bit
147 Points
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System Performance

The Alpha 15 also underwhelms in system performance benchmarks. The combination of a Ryzen 7 3750H processor, Radeon RX 5500M GPU, and a Toshiba NVMe SSD put the device in the lower half of our PCMark 10 comparison table. In short, there is less than 10% difference between the Alpha 15 and the Acer Aspire Nitro 5 or the HP Omen 15, for example.

PCMark 10 - Score
Average of class Gaming
  (2603 - 7171, n=226)
5228 Points ∼100% +12%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), 9300H
5150 Points ∼99% +10%
Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2
GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), 9300H, WDC PC SN520 SDAPNUW-512G
4973 Points ∼95% +7%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), 9300H, WDC PC SN720 SDAQNTW-512G
4873 Points ∼93% +5%
Dell G3 3590
GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), 9300H, Toshiba BG4 KBG40ZNS128G
4798 Points ∼92% +3%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), 3750H, Intel SSD 660p SSDPEKNW512G8
4732 Points ∼91% +1%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
Radeon RX 5500M, 3750H, Toshiba KBG30ZMV256G
4663 Points ∼89%
Average AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
  (4322 - 4732, n=4)
4571 Points ∼87% -2%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), 9300H, WDC PC SN520 SDAPMUW-512
4400 Points ∼84% -6%
Asus ROG GA502DU
GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, 3750H, Intel SSD 660p SSDPEKNW512G8
4322 Points ∼83% -7%
PCMark 8 Home Score Accelerated v2
4781 points
PCMark 8 Creative Score Accelerated v2
6613 points
PCMark 8 Work Score Accelerated v2
5167 points
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Graphics Card

Undoubtedly, the most exciting part of the Alpha 15 is the brand new Radeon RX 5500M. Based on AMD's RDNA architecture, the Navi 14 chip is built on a 7 nm process. By contrast, NVIDIA is on 12 nm with its Turing architecture. The Radeon RX 5500M currently spearheads AMD's mobile GPU offering, outperforming the Radeon RX580 that the company built on its Polaris architecture. There are other cards on the horizon though, with the Radeon RX 5300M having leaked recently. While this is also based on Navi 14, the Radeon RX 5500M is the more powerful of the two GPUs. There should be more powerful Navi laptop GPUs in the works too.

Based on previously published information about the Radeon RX 5500M, its performance should sit between that of the GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q. Our initial benchmark tests verify this, with the Radeon RX 5500M only 10% shy of the GTX 1660 Ti in 3DMark and roughly on par with the GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q. The Radeon RX 5500M also scores approximately 30% more than the GTX 1650 in the same benchmark.

However, the Radeon RX 5500M falls back slightly in 3DMark Time Spy, where it scores 21% less than the average of GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q devices that we have tested and 29% behind the GTX 1660 Ti. The Radeon RX 5500M placed 12% above the average of GTX 1650 equipped devices that we have tested too. Meanwhile, it moves away from the latter in 3DMark Fire Strike and closer to the GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, although there is still an 11% deficit between the Radeon RX 5500M and GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q. Similarly, the gap to the GTX 1660 Ti is 25%.

Performance Rating
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
 
99.4 pt ∼99%
Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH-81SX00B2GE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop), Intel Core i7-9750H
97.6 pt ∼98%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
 
88.7 pt ∼89%
Asus ROG GA502DU
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
87.3 pt ∼87%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, Intel Core i7-9750H
86.8 pt ∼87%
Average of class Gaming
 
82 pt ∼82%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Radeon RX 5500M, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
79.5 pt ∼80%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
64.8 pt ∼65%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
64.8 pt ∼65%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
64.8 pt ∼65%
Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
64.5 pt ∼65%
Dell G3 3590
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
63.7 pt ∼64%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
63.5 pt ∼64%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
 
63.5 pt ∼64%
3DMark 11 - 1280x720 Performance GPU
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (18610 - 20940, n=17)
19928 Points ∼100% +13%
Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH-81SX00B2GE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop), Intel Core i7-9750H
19553 Points ∼98% +11%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Radeon RX 5500M, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
17668 Points ∼89%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (17010 - 18493, n=5)
17479 Points ∼88% -1%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, Intel Core i7-9750H
17264 Points ∼87% -2%
Asus ROG GA502DU
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
17170 Points ∼86% -3%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
13575 Points ∼68% -23%
Average of class Gaming
  (513 - 50983, n=630)
13571 Points ∼68% -23%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
13512 Points ∼68% -24%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
13447 Points ∼67% -24%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
13270 Points ∼67% -25%
Dell G3 3590
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
13228 Points ∼66% -25%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (12388 - 13575, n=17)
13210 Points ∼66% -25%
Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
13125 Points ∼66% -26%
3DMark
2560x1440 Time Spy Graphics
Average of class Gaming
  (368 - 13013, n=167)
5724 Points ∼100% +43%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (5335 - 5931, n=15)
5620 Points ∼98% +41%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (4867 - 5440, n=5)
5088 Points ∼89% +27%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, Intel Core i7-9750H
4925 Points ∼86% +23%
Asus ROG GA502DU
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
4867 Points ∼85% +22%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Radeon RX 5500M, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
4000 Points ∼70%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
3568 Points ∼62% -11%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
3565 Points ∼62% -11%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
3547 Points ∼62% -11%
Dell G3 3590
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
3519 Points ∼61% -12%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
3517 Points ∼61% -12%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (3353 - 3700, n=16)
3508 Points ∼61% -12%
1920x1080 Fire Strike Graphics
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (14186 - 15482, n=17)
14727 Points ∼100% +25%
Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH-81SX00B2GE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop), Intel Core i7-9750H
14288 Points ∼97% +22%
Asus ROG GA502DU
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
13355 Points ∼91% +14%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (12903 - 13362, n=4)
13202 Points ∼90% +12%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, Intel Core i7-9750H
12903 Points ∼88% +10%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Radeon RX 5500M, AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
11754 Points ∼80%
Average of class Gaming
  (385 - 40636, n=555)
11462 Points ∼78% -2%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
9536 Points ∼65% -19%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
9534 Points ∼65% -19%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), AMD Ryzen 7 3750H
9428 Points ∼64% -20%
Dell G3 3590
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
9315 Points ∼63% -21%
Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
9292 Points ∼63% -21%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (8532 - 9536, n=17)
9264 Points ∼63% -21%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel Core i5-9300H
9221 Points ∼63% -22%
3DMark 06 Standard
26559 points
3DMark 11 Performance
13344 points
3DMark Cloud Gate Standard Score
22490 points
3DMark Fire Strike Score
9963 points
3DMark Time Spy Score
3900 points
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Gaming Performance

Ultimately, synthetic GPU benchmarks tell only half the story, as most people will probably use the Radeon RX 5500M for gaming. Our pre-production model averaged 43.6 FPS in "The Witcher 3" on Ultra Settings at 1080p, which puts it between the performance of the GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, which it leads and trails by 24% and 15% respectively.

The Radeon RX 5500M performed even better in "Shadow of the Tomb Raider", with its lead over the GTX 1650 growing to 26%. Likewise, the Alpha 15 is only 2% behind the average of GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q devices that we have tested, while it is 8% ahead of the GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q equipped ROG Zephyrus G GA502DU and HP Pavilion Gaming 15. There are some anomalies like "Dota 2 Reborn", where the Radeon RX 5500M and even the GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q fall short of the GTX 1650, but generally the Radeon RX 5500M falls between the GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q. Our results in "Anno 1800", "F1 2019" and "Rage 2" reflect this, while the Radeon RX 5500M comes close to the GTX 1660 Ti in "BioShock Infinite".

In short, the picture is not always clear. On the whole, the Radeon RX 5500M offers between GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q performance. However, AMD's new GPU sometimes nearly matches the more powerful GTX 1660 Ti, while other times it only performs at GTX 1650 levels. We suspect that AMD will resolve these variations with subsequent driver updates.

We should also point out that processor performance does influence the framerates of some games. Hence, the Radeon RX 5500M would deliver better performance if it were paired with a recent Core i7 or i9 processor.

The Witcher 3 - 1920x1080 Ultra Graphics & Postprocessing (HBAO+)
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (51.6 - 60.6, n=14)
55.8 fps ∼100% +28%
Asus Zephyrus M GU502GU-XB74
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
55.2 fps ∼99% +27%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
53.1 fps ∼95% +22%
Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH-81SX00B2GE
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
53.1 (min: 50, max: 58, 99th percentile: 51) fps ∼95% +22%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
52.2 fps ∼94% +20%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (48.5 - 53.1, n=4)
50.7 fps ∼91% +16%
Asus ROG GA502DU
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
48.8 fps ∼87% +12%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
43.6 (min: 36, max: 48) fps ∼78%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
37 fps ∼66% -15%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
36.2 fps ∼65% -17%
Dell G3 3590
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
36.2 fps ∼65% -17%
Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
35.4 (min: 28) fps ∼63% -19%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (33.1 - 38.1, n=16)
35.3 fps ∼63% -19%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
34.5 (min: 32, max: 37, 99th percentile: 32) fps ∼62% -21%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
34.4 (min: 26) fps ∼62% -21%
Shadow of the Tomb Raider - 1920x1080 Highest Preset AA:T
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (62 - 73, n=6)
66.8 fps ∼100% +26%
Asus Zephyrus M GU502GU-XB74
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
62 fps ∼93% +17%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (49 - 64, n=3)
54 fps ∼81% +2%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
53 (min: 44) fps ∼79%
Asus ROG GA502DU
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
49 fps ∼73% -8%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
49 fps ∼73% -8%
Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
44 (min: 9) fps ∼66% -17%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
43 (min: 35) fps ∼64% -19%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (34 - 46, n=6)
42.2 fps ∼63% -20%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
41 fps ∼61% -23%
Dota 2 Reborn - 1920x1080 ultra (3/3) best looking
Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH-81SX00B2GE
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
125 (min: 106) fps ∼100% +74%
Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH-81SX00B2GE
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
118.2 (min: 103.4) fps ∼95% +64%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (94.6 - 125, n=5)
112 fps ∼90% +56%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
89.9 fps ∼72% +25%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
82 (min: 70.2) fps ∼66% +14%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
75.7 fps ∼61% +5%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
 
75.7 fps ∼61% +5%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (58.5 - 89.9, n=5)
74.5 fps ∼60% +3%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
73 (min: 65.1) fps ∼58% +1%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
72 (min: 47.9) fps ∼58%
BioShock Infinite - 1920x1080 Ultra Preset, DX11 (DDOF)
Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH-81SX00B2GE
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
138 fps ∼100% +12%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (122 - 144, n=12)
136 fps ∼99% +11%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
126.3 fps ∼92% +3%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
123 fps ∼89%
Asus Zephyrus M GU502GU-XB74
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
121.6 fps ∼88% -1%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (102 - 130, n=4)
117 fps ∼85% -5%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
107.4 fps ∼78% -13%
Asus ROG GA502DU
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
102.3 fps ∼74% -17%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
90.8 fps ∼66% -26%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
87.7 fps ∼64% -29%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
86.1 (min: 3) fps ∼62% -30%
Dell G3 3590
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
85.6 fps ∼62% -30%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (68.5 - 90.8, n=12)
82.1 fps ∼59% -33%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
78.7 fps ∼57% -36%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
73.9 fps ∼54% -40%
F1 2019 - 1920x1080 Ultra High Preset AA:T AF:16x
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (91 - 99, n=4)
93.8 fps ∼100% +47%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
77 fps ∼82% +20%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (71 - 77, n=2)
74 fps ∼79% +16%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
71 fps ∼76% +11%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
64 (min: 54, max: 70) fps ∼68%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
63 fps ∼67% -2%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (59 - 65, n=5)
61.2 fps ∼65% -4%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
60 fps ∼64% -6%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
59 (min: 53) fps ∼63% -8%
Rage 2 - 1920x1080 Ultra Preset (Resolution Scale Off)
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (67.9 - 68.8, n=2)
68.4 fps ∼100% +28%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
64.8 fps ∼95% +21%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (58.2 - 64.8, n=2)
61.5 fps ∼90% +15%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
60 fps ∼88% +12%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
58.2 fps ∼85% +9%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
53.4 (99th percentile: 47.4) fps ∼78%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (45.1 - 60, n=3)
50.5 fps ∼74% -5%
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
46.4 fps ∼68% -13%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
45.1 fps ∼66% -16%
Anno 1800 - 1920x1080 Ultra Graphics Quality (DX11)
Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH-81SX00B2GE
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
54 fps ∼100% +126%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (31.1 - 54, n=4)
40.1 fps ∼74% +68%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
33.2 fps ∼61% +39%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (26 - 33.2, n=2)
29.6 fps ∼55% +24%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
26 fps ∼48% +9%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
23.9 (min: 21, max: 26) fps ∼44%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (17.4 - 22.7, n=5)
20.1 fps ∼37% -16%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
19.4 (min: 16) fps ∼36% -19%
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
17.35 fps ∼32% -27%
Rocket League - 1920x1080 High Quality AA:High FX
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (209 - 221, n=2)
215 fps ∼100% +23%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
175 (min: 132, max: 230) fps ∼81%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
173.7 fps ∼81% -1%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (142 - 174, n=2)
158 fps ∼73% -10%
Asus ROG GA502DU
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
141.7 fps ∼66% -19%
Dell G3 3590
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
137.2 fps ∼64% -22%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
136 (min: 112) fps ∼63% -22%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (96.4 - 150, n=5)
129 fps ∼60% -26%
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
127.5 fps ∼59% -27%
GRID 2019 - 1920x1080 Ultra High Preset
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
 
64.1 fps ∼100% +75%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
58.7 fps ∼92% +60%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
 
58.7 fps ∼92% +60%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (41.3 - 44.4, n=2)
42.9 fps ∼67% +17%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
41.3 fps ∼64% +13%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
36.7 (99th percentile: 14.9) fps ∼57%
Ghost Recon Breakpoint - 1920x1080 Ultra Preset AA:T
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
 
55 fps ∼100% +112%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
48 fps ∼87% +85%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
 
48 fps ∼87% +85%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (30 - 37, n=2)
33.5 fps ∼61% +29%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
30 (min: 23) fps ∼55% +15%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
26 fps ∼47%
FIFA 20 - 1920x1080 Ultra Preset AA:4xMS
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
 
237 fps ∼100% +94%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (137 - 159, n=2)
148 fps ∼62% +21%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
139.3 fps ∼59% +14%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
 
139 fps ∼59% +14%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
137 fps ∼58% +12%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
122 (99th percentile: 89.3) fps ∼51%
Borderlands 3 - 1920x1080 Badass Overall Quality (DX11)
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
 
48.6 fps ∼100% +37%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
41.5 fps ∼85% +17%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
 
41.5 fps ∼85% +17%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
35.6 fps ∼73%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (29.5 - 30.8, n=3)
30.3 fps ∼62% -15%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
29.5 fps ∼61% -17%
Control - 1920x1080 High Quality Preset (DX11)
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
 
52.8 fps ∼100% +54%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
47.1 fps ∼89% +38%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
 
47.1 fps ∼89% +38%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
34.2 (min: 29, max: 39) fps ∼65%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (32.1 - 33.4, n=4)
33 fps ∼63% -4%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
32.1 (min: 27) fps ∼61% -6%
Total War: Three Kingdoms - 1920x1080 Ultra (incl textures)
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
 
46.1 fps ∼100% +29%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
41.6 (min: 20, max: 48) fps ∼90% +16%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (41.1 - 41.6, n=2)
41.4 fps ∼90% +16%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
41.1 (min: 35, max: 48) fps ∼89% +15%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
35.8 (min: 31, max: 42) fps ∼78%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (24.4 - 26.9, n=3)
25.8 fps ∼56% -28%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
24.4 (min: 17) fps ∼53% -32%
The Division 2 - 1920x1080 Ultra Preset
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
 
63 fps ∼100% +50%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
50 fps ∼79% +19%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (49 - 50, n=2)
49.5 fps ∼79% +18%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
49 fps ∼78% +17%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
42 fps ∼67%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (35 - 43, n=3)
38.3 fps ∼61% -9%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
37 fps ∼59% -12%
Dirt Rally 2.0 - 1920x1080 Ultra Preset AA:T AF:16x
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
 
62.3 fps ∼100% +7%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
59.2 fps ∼95% +1%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
58.4 (min: 52, max: 68) fps ∼94%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (57.3 - 59.2, n=2)
58.3 fps ∼94% 0%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
57.3 fps ∼92% -2%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (41.8 - 44.1, n=3)
42.7 fps ∼69% -27%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
41.8 (min: 33) fps ∼67% -28%
Assassin´s Creed Odyssey - 1920x1080 Ultra High Preset
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (Laptop)
  (47 - 59, n=2)
53 fps ∼100% +71%
HP Gaming Pavilion 15-dk0009ng
Intel Core i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
44 fps ∼83% +42%
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
42 fps ∼79% +35%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
  (33 - 44, n=3)
39.7 fps ∼75% +28%
Asus ROG GA502DU
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q
33 fps ∼62% +6%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
  (22 - 43, n=5)
31.4 fps ∼59% +1%
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Radeon RX 5500M
31 (min: 1, max: 54) fps ∼58%
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop)
30 (min: 1) fps ∼57% -3%

The Alpha 15 also performed well when we left "The Witcher 3" running for an hour one the Ultra preset at 1080p. Our pre-production unit averaged 40.9 FPS here, while only fluctuating between 39 and 44 FPS. The slight change in framerates occurred during the day and night cycle, so you should not expect any throttling even during prolonged gaming sessions.

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MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK Radeon RX 5500M, 3750H, Toshiba KBG30ZMV256G; The Witcher 3: Ø40.9 (39-44)
low med. high ultraQHD4K
Counter-Strike: GO (2012) 191 137 76.3 fps
BioShock Infinite (2013) 201 169 123 fps
GTA V (2015) 93 48.6 20.2 fps
The Witcher 3 (2015) 165 72 43.6 fps
Dota 2 Reborn (2015) 93 86 81 72 53 fps
World of Warships (2015) 93 54.9 fps
Overwatch (2016) 124 109 74 fps
Rocket League (2017) 175 175 72 fps
Middle-earth: Shadow of War (2017) 70 24 fps
Assassin´s Creed Origins (2017) 41 35 fps
Far Cry 5 (2018) 62 59 48 fps
Shadow of the Tomb Raider (2018) 59 53 32 15 fps
Assassin´s Creed Odyssey (2018) 48 43 40 31 fps
Call of Duty Black Ops 4 (2018) 67.5 53.9 28.8 fps
Battlefield V (2018) 61 43.7 16.2 fps
Farming Simulator 19 (2018) 70 49.1 32.8 fps
Apex Legends (2019) 72 51.7 28.4 fps
Far Cry New Dawn (2019) 51 47 25 fps
Metro Exodus (2019) 92.3 45.4 38.1 32.2 25 fps
Anthem (2019) 48 (stuttering) 47 (stuttering) 44 (stuttering) 32 (stuttering) fps
Dirt Rally 2.0 (2019) 58.4 38.1 22.8 fps
The Division 2 (2019) 51 42 fps
Anno 1800 (2019) 60 46.3 23.9 fps
Rage 2 (2019) 67 55.7 53.4 15.4 fps
Total War: Three Kingdoms (2019) 134 69.1 48.7 35.8 19.4 6.9 fps
F1 2019 (2019) 79 74 64 64 49.1 33.3 fps
Control (2019) 119 47.5 34.2 fps
Borderlands 3 (2019) 76 66 47.2 35.6 23.9 6.7 fps
FIFA 20 (2019) 122 122 96 fps
Ghost Recon Breakpoint (2019) 58 53 48 26 fps
GRID 2019 (2019) 81 67 36.7 29.9 15.2 fps
Call of Duty Modern Warfare (2019) 112 94 81 64 35.4 20.1 fps

Emissions

Fan Noise

MSI includes several predefined fan profiles on the Alpha 15, which it calls Silence Mode, Balanced Mode and Extreme Performance respectively. Fan noise changes for each profile, especially when the machine is not under any significant load. We used Balanced Mode for our tests and adjusted the Windows Power Mode accordingly.

Our pre-production model runs quietly when idling, with its fans peaking at 35.5 dB(A). However, the two fans ramp up when gaming, while our stress test pushed them to 53.6 dB(A). MSI promises that it will continue to refine the fan control and pre-configured profiles, so expect Alpha 15 retail units to perform slightly differently than our pre-production model in this regard.

Noise Level

Idle
31.1 / 34.8 / 35.5 dB(A)
Load
43 / 53.6 dB(A)
  red to green bar
 
 
30 dB
silent
40 dB(A)
audible
50 dB(A)
loud
 
min: dark, med: mid, max: light   Audix TM1, Arta (15 cm distance)   environment noise: 30 dB(A)
dB(A) 0102030405060708090Deep BassMiddle BassHigh BassLower RangeMidsHigher MidsLower HighsMid HighsUpper HighsSuper Highs2036.434.23738.737.333.336.934.72531.932.332.132.230.831.63130.83131.931.829.829.13028.528.529.94031.630.227.330.630.828.428.532.25031.8292934.228.929.530.228.86332.430.930.732.230.930.229.329.68030.129.530.529.227.828.425.830.610030.928.827.826.625.824.92531.712529.827.428.525.625.123.825.229.116029.729.128.526.724.624.324.729.420032.63029.626.823.823.523.932.425033.231.530.125.623.421.621.732.931538.535.732.928.624.621.721.138.840040.23936.231.226.120.920.740.650038.336.635.529.523.519.919.839.363039.337.634.530.42419.118.93980039.537.434.631.224.72218.439.6100040.638.135.731.525.622.617.840.8125041.739.136.431.524.218.817.342160042.840.137.533.525.118.217.143.2200043.741.138.334.423.41917.143.8250044.842.34034.922.317.91745.2315042.738.834.42819.417.717.342.5400041.23833.928.719.917.71741.2500041.938.834.830.220.717.51741.963003935.13127.418.617.217.139800036.833.529.32417.317.217.136.81000033.43025.620.117.217.217.233.41250030.426.121.117.817.117.117.130.31600025.32118.617.317.117.117.125.4SPL53.550.747.843.234.731.229.953.7N9.17.564.22.21.51.49.2median 39median 36.6median 33.9median 28.6median 23.5median 19median 17.3median 39Delta4.443.52.42.62.324.6hearing rangehide median Fan NoiseMSI Alpha 15 A3DDK

Temperature

Surface temperatures are rather low, though. The warmest areas of our pre-production model reached 45 °C (~113 °F) during our stress tests and 44 °C (~111 °F) when playing "The Witcher 3", which is not overly hot. The rest of the chassis remains below 40 °C (~104 °F) too, with the palm rest not exceeding 30 °C (~86 °F).

System information during a FurMark and Prime95 stress test; no critical core temperatures here
System information during a FurMark and Prime95 stress test; no critical core temperatures here

Our stress test also did not cause the Alpha 15 to thermal throttle. The device was happy to keep its CPU and GPU core temperatures at 86 °C (~187 °F)  throughout, which is also over 10 °C (~18 °F) shy of their critical operating temperatures.

Max. Load
 40 °C
104 F
41 °C
106 F
36 °C
97 F
 
 41 °C
106 F
42 °C
108 F
38 °C
100 F
 
 29 °C
84 F
32 °C
90 F
28 °C
82 F
 
Maximum: 42 °C = 108 F
Average: 36.3 °C = 97 F
29 °C
84 F
27 °C
81 F
26 °C
79 F
40 °C
104 F
43 °C
109 F
45 °C
113 F
23 °C
73 F
27 °C
81 F
29 °C
84 F
Maximum: 45 °C = 113 F
Average: 32.1 °C = 90 F
Power Supply (max.)  41 °C = 106 F | Room Temperature 20 °C = 68 F | Fluke 62 Mini
(±) The average temperature for the upper side under maximal load is 36.3 °C / 97 F, compared to the average of 33.2 °C / 92 F for the devices in the class Gaming.
(±) The maximum temperature on the upper side is 42 °C / 108 F, compared to the average of 39.6 °C / 103 F, ranging from 21.6 to 68.8 °C for the class Gaming.
(±) The bottom heats up to a maximum of 45 °C / 113 F, compared to the average of 42.3 °C / 108 F
(+) In idle usage, the average temperature for the upper side is 29.1 °C / 84 F, compared to the device average of 33.2 °C / 92 F.
(+) Playing The Witcher 3, the average temperature for the upper side is 31.3 °C / 88 F, compared to the device average of 33.2 °C / 92 F.
(+) The palmrests and touchpad are reaching skin temperature as a maximum (32 °C / 89.6 F) and are therefore not hot.
(-) The average temperature of the palmrest area of similar devices was 28.8 °C / 83.8 F (-3.2 °C / -5.8 F).

Speakers

The stereo speakers in the Alpha 15 can get pleasantly loud while reproducing high-pitched frequencies linearly. The biggest downside here is the lack of bass, but that is an issue with almost all laptop speakers.

dB(A) 0102030405060708090Deep BassMiddle BassHigh BassLower RangeMidsHigher MidsLower HighsMid HighsUpper HighsSuper Highs2033.336.941.82531.63133.53128.528.530.64028.428.533.65029.530.231.96330.229.333.18028.425.83410024.9253912523.825.245.316024.324.747.220023.523.95025021.621.750.231521.721.159.240020.920.76550019.919.862.463019.118.973.48002218.480.5100022.617.884.1125018.817.379.9160018.217.180.820001917.180.9250017.91774.9315017.717.375.3400017.71779.1500017.51771.9630017.217.174.6800017.217.176.51000017.217.279.71250017.117.175.31600017.117.174.5SPL31.229.990.6N1.51.485.6median 19median 17.3median 74.6Delta2.3210.135.335.132.931.831.83236.535.132.428.93328.936.328.848.32761.52752.924.860.92462.822.763.32269.521.267.82174.82075.919.472.718.97117.770.117.86917.671.817.668.117.671.417.673.717.670.417.571.617.671.617.669.617.459.717.583.630.662.51.5median 69.6median 17.84.62.4hearing rangehide median Pink NoiseMSI Alpha 15 A3DDKApple MacBook 12 (Early 2016) 1.1 GHz
Frequency diagram (checkboxes can be checked and unchecked to compare devices)
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK audio analysis

(+) | speakers can play relatively loud (90.6 dB)
Bass 100 - 315 Hz
(-) | nearly no bass - on average 26.1% lower than median
(±) | linearity of bass is average (7.3% delta to prev. frequency)
Mids 400 - 2000 Hz
(±) | higher mids - on average 7% higher than median
(±) | linearity of mids is average (7.7% delta to prev. frequency)
Highs 2 - 16 kHz
(+) | balanced highs - only 2.2% away from median
(+) | highs are linear (6.3% delta to prev. frequency)
Overall 100 - 16.000 Hz
(±) | linearity of overall sound is average (17.4% difference to median)
Compared to same class
» 54% of all tested devices in this class were better, 6% similar, 40% worse
» The best had a delta of 6%, average was 17%, worst was 37%
Compared to all devices tested
» 27% of all tested devices were better, 7% similar, 67% worse
» The best had a delta of 3%, average was 21%, worst was 53%

Apple MacBook 12 (Early 2016) 1.1 GHz audio analysis

(+) | speakers can play relatively loud (83.6 dB)
Bass 100 - 315 Hz
(±) | reduced bass - on average 11.3% lower than median
(±) | linearity of bass is average (14.2% delta to prev. frequency)
Mids 400 - 2000 Hz
(+) | balanced mids - only 2.4% away from median
(+) | mids are linear (5.5% delta to prev. frequency)
Highs 2 - 16 kHz
(+) | balanced highs - only 2% away from median
(+) | highs are linear (4.5% delta to prev. frequency)
Overall 100 - 16.000 Hz
(+) | overall sound is linear (9.3% difference to median)
Compared to same class
» 1% of all tested devices in this class were better, 1% similar, 97% worse
» The best had a delta of 8%, average was 20%, worst was 50%
Compared to all devices tested
» 1% of all tested devices were better, 1% similar, 98% worse
» The best had a delta of 3%, average was 21%, worst was 53%

Power Management

Power Consumption

A first look at power consumption at different operating conditions shows the Alpha 15 to be particularly thirsty when idling. While MSI has significantly reduced this with a BIOS update, it remains much higher than the values achieved by our comparison devices.

Our pre-production averages anywhere between 10 to 20 W less than our Core i5-9300H and GTX 1650 powered comparison devices under load, though. We conducted this by running the first scene of 3DMark 2006, for reference. By contrast, our Ryzen 7 3750H powered comparison devices roughly consume the same as the Alpha 15 under these conditions. Hence, the Radeon RX 5500M does not seem to consume more power than its NVIDIA counterparts. However, the Alpha 15 did peak at 191 W, which is at least 50 W higher than all our comparison devices.

We should point out that the Alpha 15 also consumed 148 W during our "The Witcher 3" test, during which we had the device connected to an external monitor. This is also considerably more than our GTX 1650, and GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q equipped comparison devices. These high consumption values may be different on final retail units, though.

The Witcher 3 running on an external monitor
The Witcher 3 running on an external monitor
Power consumption on standby
Power consumption on standby
Cinebench R15 running on an external monitor
Cinebench R15 running on an external monitor
Power Consumption
Off / Standbydarklight 0.18 / 0.91 Watt
Idledarkmidlight 11.7 / 15.7 / 22.4 Watt
Load midlight 70.7 / 191 Watt
 color bar
Key: min: dark, med: mid, max: light        Metrahit Energy
MSI Alpha 15 A3DDK
3750H, Radeon RX 5500M, Toshiba KBG30ZMV256G, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Asus TUF FX505DT-EB73
3750H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Intel SSD 660p SSDPEKNW512G8, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Dell G3 3590
9300H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), Toshiba BG4 KBG40ZNS128G, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Acer Aspire Nitro 5 AN515-54-53Z2
9300H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), WDC PC SN520 SDAPNUW-512G, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Asus ROG GA502DU
3750H, GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, Intel SSD 660p SSDPEKNW512G8, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15IRH 81LK00BMGE
9300H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), WDC PC SN520 SDAPMUW-512, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
HP Omen 15-dc1020ng
9300H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), WDC PC SN720 SDAQNTW-512G, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Dell G5 15 5590-PCNJJ
9300H, GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop), KBG30ZMS128G, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec0017ng
3750H, GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q, WDC PC SN720 SDAPNTW-256G, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Power Consumption
32%
18%
35%
11%
43%
36%
34%
38%
Idle Minimum *
11.7
7
40%
6.2
47%
5
57%
7.4
37%
3.8
68%
4.04
65%
4
66%
3.4
71%
Idle Average *
15.7
9.9
37%
8.4
46%
7
55%
8.6
45%
6.6
58%
7.2
54%
7
55%
7.6
52%
Idle Maximum *
22.4
12
46%
27.7
-24%
11
51%
39.1
-75%
8.9
60%
11.4
49%
12
46%
10.2
54%
Load Average *
70.7
68.4
3%
91
-29%
89
-26%
65.9
7%
78.4
-11%
80.8
-14%
95
-34%
73
-3%
Load Maximum *
191
130.9
31%
131.5
31%
132
31%
141.3
26%
124
35%
144.5
24%
135
29%
140.5
26%
Witcher 3 ultra *
148
94.9
36%
94.4
36%
90
39%
106.9
28%
82
45%
93.6
37%
86
42%
107
28%

* ... smaller is better

Battery Life

Since we have been testing a pre-production model, we shall forego offering any detailed battery life measurements at this time. Our unit lasted around 40 minutes before it switched off during our "The Witcher 3" test, which we ran at full brightness. However, BIOS, firmware and software updates will probably drastically improve battery life. We shall update this section accordingly when we receive a retail unit.

Initial Verdict

The MSI Alpha 15: The AMD Radeon RX 5500M brings a breath of fresh air to midrange gaming laptops
The MSI Alpha 15: The AMD Radeon RX 5500M brings a breath of fresh air to midrange gaming laptops

While MSI has not attempted to overthrow the best in class with the Alpha 15, it has developed a package that inconspicuously challenges the midrange market that Intel and NVIDIA have dominated until now. In short, the Alpha 15 represents an initial foray into a market in which AMD could gain a foothold.

The key feature with the Alpha 15 is its Radeon RX 5500M GPU, based on AMD's Navi architecture. The GPU, manufactured on a 7 nm processor, sits between the GeForce GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q on paper, something which our tests with our pre-production model confirmed. However, it must be noted that the range of possible results is high for the time being. For example, while the RX 5500M does not go beyond the level of a GTX 1650 in some games, it reaches GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q levels in others. Overall, it generally sits between the two, though.

The MSI Alpha 15 can compete against Core i5-9300H, and GeForce 1660 Ti Max-Q powered laptops in some games with its Ryzen 7 3750H processor and new Radeon RX 5500M GPU.

Whether one can speak of the device as a success for AMD or MSI depends on the price at which the Alpha 15 launches. Early information suggests that the device will ship for US$999 to US$1099 for 120 and 144 Hz options, pricing that puts the Alpha 15 beyond the reach of Core i5-9300H and GTX 1650 powered, which typically cost well under US$1,000. However, GTX 1660 Ti Max-Q laptops generally exceed US$1,000, which puts the RX 5500M in a better light. We imagine that deciding between the three GPUs will depend on what features the laptops in which they are paired offer too.

Overall, the Alpha 15 has offered a positive impression of the Radeon RX 5500M and the RDNA architecture on laptops. It seems that deciding between AMD and NVIDIA will once again be a real choice, although the extent to which AMD can penetrate the high-end gaming laptop market remains to be seen. What is certain is that more powerful laptop GPUs than the RX 5500M are likely on their way.

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> Notebook / Laptop Reviews and News > Reviews > MSI Alpha 15 Hands-On Gaming Laptop Review: Ryzen and Navi instead of Intel and NVIDIA
Klaus Hinum, J. Simon Leitner, 2019-11- 1 (Update: 2019-11- 1)
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