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MSI P65 Creator 8RF (i7-8750H, GTX 1070 Max-Q, 512 GB SSD, 144 Hz) Laptop Review

Sebastian Bade, 👁 Sebastian Jentsch, Felicitas Krohn (translated by Finn D. Boerne), 11/14/2018

Well-dressed high performer! MSI's Prestige series promises desktop-level performance while maintaining maximum mobility at the same time. We have decided to take a closer look at whether MSI managed to keep its promises. At first glance, the device seems to keep its word, and a hexa-core CPU and GTX 1070 are great for much more than just working.

With the P65 Creator 8RE, 8RD, and 8RF MSI introduced three new Prestige-series devices that are basically three different trim models of the same base unit. All three share some commonalities, such as the Intel Core i7-8750H CPU, 16 GB of RAM, and 512 GB of storage. This should make for a solid basis.

The most obvious difference is case color, and only the Limited Edition features a completely white aluminum case. The two less-expensive P65 models feature a low-key silver case. Another Limited Edition exclusive is the GPU, as it is the only one available with a GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q with 8 GB of VRAM. The P65 Creator entry-level model features a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti instead, and it starts at around $1,600. At the time of writing, our review unit sold for more than $2,300.

In order to have an extensive range of comparability we have picked competitors from the realms of multimedia, gaming, and workstations. Keep in mind that the MSI P65 Creator is not a true workstation notebook, and MSI is offering a portable workstation as well (WS65).

Its primary competitors are the Asus ZenBook Pro 15 and the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme. From the realm of gaming, we picked the Gigabyte Aero 15X v8 and the Asus ROG Strix GL504.

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MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator (P65 Series)
Graphics adapter
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q - 8192 MB, Core: 1100 - 1266 MHz, Memory: 8000 MHz, GDDR5, Nvidia 398.35, Optimus
Memory
16384 MB 
, 1x 16 GB SO-DIMM DDR4-2666, Single-Channel, 1 of 2 used, max. 32 GB
Display
15.6 inch 16:9, 1920 x 1080 pixel 141 PPI, AU Optronics B156HAN08.0 (AUO80ED), IPS, FHD, 144 Hz, glossy: no
Mainboard
Intel Cannon Lake HM370
Storage
Kingston RBUSNS8154P3512GJ, 512 GB 
, 512 GB SSD (M.2 PCIe Gen3 NVMe)
Soundcard
Realtek Audio
Connections
2 USB 3.0 / 3.1 Gen1, 2 USB 3.1 Gen2, 1 Thunderbolt, 1 HDMI, 2 DisplayPort, 1 Kensington Lock, Audio Connections: 1x headphones, 1x microphone, SPDIF, 1 Fingerprint Reader
Networking
Qualcomm Atheros AR8171/8175 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet (10/100/1000MBit), Intel Wireless-AC 9560 (a/b/g/n/ac), Bluetooth 5.0
Size
height x width x depth (in mm): 17.9 x 358 x 248 ( = 0.7 x 14.09 x 9.76 in)
Battery
82 Wh, 5380 mAh Lithium-Polymer, 4-cell
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64 Bit
Camera
Webcam: HD (720p, 30 fps)
Additional features
Speakers: 2.0 Dynaudio, Keyboard: Chiclet, Keyboard Light: yes, 180 W power supply, warranty booklet, quick start guide, prestige box, protective sleeve, Dragon Center, 24 Months Warranty
Weight
1.899 kg ( = 66.99 oz / 4.19 pounds), Power Supply: 557 g ( = 19.65 oz / 1.23 pounds)
Price
2300 EUR
Note: The manufacturer may use components from different suppliers including display panels, drives or memory sticks with similar specifications.

 

Case

The basis for the P65 Creator is the MSI GS65 8RF. Where the GS65 is the gaming contender with flamboyant features such as an RGB-backlit keyboard, the P65 Creator is its more constrained and professional sibling, and the Limited Edition is completely white as well. The high-quality aluminum base and display lid look and feel very premium. However, we found some deficiencies upon closer inspection, for example uneven gaps as well as poor transitions between the top and the bottom parts of the base. While this may sound like a typical First-World problem we do expect top quality from any device that sells for more than $2,000.

Overall rigidity suffered slightly from its ultra-light design. For example, we have not had any trouble twisting and warping the base, and exerting punctiform force on the case led to minor creaking. To make matters worse the top case flexed noticeably at the top in the middle right above the power button.

However, should you opt for an MSI P65 8RF Creator you are going to receive it in a very classy wooden box. This, unfortunately, is another Limited Edition exclusive.

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MSI P65 8RF - Creator mit Prestige Box
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MSI P65 8RF - Creator
MSI P65 8RF - Creator
MSI sleeve
MSI sleeve

At just 1.8 kg the MSI P65 Creator is just as lightweight as the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme. More accurately, it weighs exactly 1,899 grams, which emphasizes MSI’s focus on mobility. The charger adds another 557 g. Due to its very narrow display bezels the P65’s footprint is rather small, and at just 18 mm the case is incredibly thin. None of its competitors gets even close.

Size Comparison

Connectivity

Connectivity is up-to-date and sufficient for most use cases even though the P65 follows the general trend of omitting the card reader altogether and requiring a USB adapter to be plugged into one of the device’s three USB-A ports. Multimedia users are going to be fond of the HDMI and DisplayPort connectors for external displays. Unfortunately, MSI opted for the smaller MiniDisplayPort instead of a full-sized specimen, and the HDMI port only supports UHD up to 30 Hz ([email protected] Hz is supported via MiniDisplayPort).

Due to the side-mounted fan vents port distribution is anything but ideal. We do like the angled power plug that allows the power cable to run straight towards the back, providing extra space for a mouse on the right-hand side of the device.

Left: Kensington lock, RJ45 Ethernet, 2x USB 3.1, headphones, microphone
Left: Kensington lock, RJ45 Ethernet, 2x USB 3.1, headphones, microphone
Right: USB 3.1, Thunderbolt 3, Mini-DisplayPort, HDMI, power
Right: USB 3.1, Thunderbolt 3, Mini-DisplayPort, HDMI, power
Front: no connectivity
Front: no connectivity
Rear: fan vents
Rear: fan vents

Communication

Wi-Fi modem
Wi-Fi modem
Wi-Fi antennas
Wi-Fi antennas

Unlike the gaming model the P65 Creator features an Intel Wireless-AC 9560 Wi-Fi modem that did fairly well in our tests. However, we should note that the very same modem performed significantly better in the Asus GL504GS most likely due to the latter’s better antenna design. Still, a 585 Mb/s downstream rate is not half bad. In addition to Wi-Fi, the 9560 also supports Bluetooth 5.0.

Those who prefer wired connections will be delighted to learn that the P65 Creator features an RJ45 port on the left-hand side. Both communication modules worked flawlessly during our tests, and we have not encountered any problems transferring large amounts of data from and to our NAS.

Unfortunately, the P65 Creator lacks an internal 4G/LTE modem, which cannot even be fitted optionally.

Please note that due to a mistake while running our transmit benchmarks we were unable to log these values. Due to time constraints we were unable to repeat these benchmarks.

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Networking - iperf3 Client (receive) TCP 1 m 4M x10
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265
682 MBit/s ∼100% +17%
Asus GL504GS
Intel Wireless-AC 9560
672 MBit/s ∼99% +15%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
Intel Wireless-AC 9560
662 MBit/s ∼97% +13%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
Killer Wireless-AC 1550 Wireless Network Adapter
660 MBit/s ∼97% +13%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
Intel Wireless-AC 9560
627 (min: 319, max: 666) MBit/s ∼92% +7%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Wireless-AC 9560
585 (min: 484, max: 680) MBit/s ∼86%
Average of class Multimedia
  (44 - 949, n=112)
496 MBit/s ∼73% -15%
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; iperf 3.1.3: Ø630 (484-680)

Security

Fingerprint reader with support for Windows Hello (source: MSI)
Fingerprint reader with support for Windows Hello (source: MSI)

The major security feature on the P65 Creator is its fingerprint reader located in the top-left corner of the touchpad. Unfortunately, this also means that this bit of surface area is not usable for input. The fingerprint reader was very easy and comfortable to use and allowed for logging into Windows without typing in a password every time. A Kensington lock is also available for those who travel frequently.

Accessories

Should you happen to order an MSI P65 8RF you are going to receive it in a very classy wooden box with an MSI logo on its top and Prestige writing on the side. In addition to the notebook itself and the 180 W power supply, you will also find a quick-start guide, a warranty leaflet, and a matching sleeve protecting the P65 quite well during transport in the box.

MSI Prestige box
MSI Prestige box
MSI P65 inside Prestige box
MSI P65 inside Prestige box
MSI sleeve

Maintenance

In general, the P65 is maintainable to a certain degree. However, MSI points out that it is going to get complicated due to the compact design of the device. This is a problem we have already encountered previously when reviewing the MSI GS65. Once the bottom cover has been removed you have access to the three fans, the battery, and the Wi-Fi modem. RAM and SSD are mounted on the other side of the motherboard. In other words: The entire motherboard must be removed in order to upgrade or replace either of these.

MSI P65 8RF Creator with bottom cover removed
MSI P65 8RF Creator with bottom cover removed
Poor maintenance options
Poor maintenance options

Warranty

While European customers are treated to a two-year limited pickup and return warranty when purchasing the P65 Creator, US customers are once again limited to just a single year. Optional warranty extensions are available.

Software

Like most MSI notebooks the P65 is supported by the Dragon Center software, albeit its GUI is much more restrained. In addition to offering a quick and extensive overview of the system itself the software can also be used to adjust the cooling system in order to avoid unnecessary noise during presentation or meetings. These features can also be accessed and adjusted via MSI’s Dragon Center smartphone app. The True Color tool features a total of five display presets.

MSI is currently offering a $300 software bundle for all P65 Creator buyers until the end of 2018.

MSI Dragon Center overview
MSI Dragon Center overview
MSI Dragon Center options
MSI Dragon Center options
MSI True Color display settings
MSI True Color display settings
MSI True Color tools
MSI True Color tools

Input Devices

Keyboard

MSI P65 8RF Creator keyboard (source: MSI)
MSI P65 8RF Creator keyboard (source: MSI)
MSI P65 8RF Creator keyboard (backlit)
MSI P65 8RF Creator keyboard (backlit)

The keyboard is the most obvious feature showing the P65’s gaming heritage, and MSI has simply copied the layout and labeling without making any changes. Many international users will be bothered by the fact that the keyboard layout is going to be very different from their respective default layout and design.

The chiclet keyboard sits flush with the palm rest, and we would have preferred a firmer keystroke. Since the keyboard deck flexes slightly while typing, it feels a bit spongy. A numpad is missing from the keyboard, which features a uni-color three-stage backlight for added inconspicuousness that can also be turned off completely. We highly suggest doing just that in dark environments since the contrast between the white keys and the white backlight, or rather the lack thereof, drastically impedes deciphering the actual labels on the keycaps.

Touchpad

Touchpad with embedded fingerprint reader
Touchpad with embedded fingerprint reader

At 10.4 x 7 cm (4.1 x 2.76 inches) the touchpad fits snug in the space between the space bar and the bottom edge. Unfortunately, the top left corner is not available for input as MSI decided this would be an ideal place to put the fingerprint reader. We would have certainly preferred for the reader to be embedded into the case itself instead of the touchpad. Other than that the ClickPad worked well and turned out to be very precise, including in the remaining three corners.

The touchpad was mounted securely in the base and did not rattle or clatter. Clicking the hidden buttons resulted in a very clear and distinct acoustic feedback even though key travel turned out to be very short.

Display

Subpixel array
Subpixel array
No clouding
No clouding

The P65 8RF’s display is a true gamer's delight - 15.6 inches of matte 144 Hz IPS goodness. Unfortunately, like so many other things this display is also a Limited Edition exclusive. The other two P65 models are equipped with a regular 60 Hz IPS display.

Sadly, we have to report that at just 235 nits the display turned out to be very dark and incapable of getting even close to the Asus ZenBook Pro 15’s 350 nits. Thanks to a low black-level of just 0.22 nits at least the contrast ratio was measured at a decent 1,068:1, and at 85% brightness distribution was decent enough to avoid halations. We also found neither PWM nor backlight bleeding on our review unit.

As mentioned before, MSI’s True Color software includes a total of five color presets for the display. All tests were performed with the sRGB profile activated.

249
cd/m²
243
cd/m²
238
cd/m²
227
cd/m²
235
cd/m²
223
cd/m²
244
cd/m²
245
cd/m²
212
cd/m²
Distribution of brightness
X-Rite i1Pro 2
Maximum: 249 cd/m² Average: 235.1 cd/m² Minimum: 10.3 cd/m²
Brightness Distribution: 85 %
Center on Battery: 238 cd/m²
Contrast: 1068:1 (Black: 0.22 cd/m²)
ΔE Color 2.82 | 0.4-29.43 Ø6.2, calibrated: 4.88
ΔE Greyscale 2.32 | 0.64-98 Ø6.5
92% sRGB (Argyll 3D) 59% AdobeRGB 1998 (Argyll 3D)
Gamma: 2.49
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
AU Optronics B156HAN08.0 (AUO80ED), IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
AU Optronics B156ZAN03.1, IPS, 3840x2160, 15.6
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
LGD05C0, IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Asus GL504GS
AU Optronics B156HAN08.2 (AUO82ED), IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
AU Optronics B156HAN08.0 (AUO80ED), IPS, 1920x1080, 15.6
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
B156ZAN03.2, IPS, 3840x2160, 15.6
Response Times
-141%
-4%
38%
-13%
-238%
Response Time Grey 50% / Grey 80% *
16 (9, 7)
44 (22, 22)
-175%
16.8 (8.4, 8.4)
-5%
7.2 (3.8, 3.4)
55%
17.6 (9.2, 8.4)
-10%
61.6 (30.8, 30.8)
-285%
Response Time Black / White *
11 (7, 4)
22.8 (12, 10.8)
-107%
11.2 (6, 5.2)
-2%
8.8 (4.4, 4.4)
20%
12.8 (7.6, 5.2)
-16%
32 (15.6, 16.4)
-191%
PWM Frequency
Screen
-2%
18%
3%
13%
2%
Brightness middle
235
357.6
52%
313
33%
271
15%
254
8%
396
69%
Brightness
235
350
49%
300
28%
261
11%
262
11%
380
62%
Brightness Distribution
85
85
0%
78
-8%
86
1%
89
5%
90
6%
Black Level *
0.22
0.35
-59%
0.33
-50%
0.32
-45%
0.22
-0%
0.28
-27%
Contrast
1068
1022
-4%
948
-11%
847
-21%
1155
8%
1414
32%
Colorchecker DeltaE2000 *
2.82
4.12
-46%
1.29
54%
2.61
7%
2.37
16%
4
-42%
Colorchecker DeltaE2000 max. *
4.82
9.91
-106%
2.04
58%
4.93
-2%
4.71
2%
7.6
-58%
Colorchecker DeltaE2000 calibrated *
4.88
4.23
13%
2.33
52%
1.84
62%
0.9
82%
Greyscale DeltaE2000 *
2.32
1.8
22%
0.69
70%
1.97
15%
1.58
32%
6.1
-163%
Gamma
2.49 88%
2.17 101%
2.43 91%
2.4 92%
2.48 89%
2.25 98%
CCT
6310 103%
6613 98%
6550 99%
6398 102%
6785 96%
7786 83%
Color Space (Percent of AdobeRGB 1998)
59
87.5
48%
60
2%
59
0%
60
2%
88.5
50%
Color Space (Percent of sRGB)
92
100
9%
94
2%
90
-2%
92
0%
100
9%
Total Average (Program / Settings)
-72% / -23%
7% / 14%
21% / 8%
0% / 9%
-118% / -35%

* ... smaller is better

MSI P65 8RF vs. sRGB (92%)
MSI P65 8RF vs. sRGB (92%)
MSI P65 8RF vs. AdobeRGB (59%)
MSI P65 8RF vs. AdobeRGB (59%)

Color quality was very decent overall, and the low DeltaE deviation hints at calibration ex factory. Out of the box, the P65’s DeltaE for colors was just 3, and our retroactive calibration efforts were fruitless. As always, the resulting ICC profile can be found for download in the box above.

MSI claims 100% sRGB coverage, which we are unable to attest. However, 92% sRGB and 59% AdobeRGB are still quite decent. We should note that we use a different 3D measuring technique than the industry’s default 2D calculation. While Lenovo's ThinkPad X1 and Asus' ZenBook Pro 15 did much better in this category the display should not stand in the way of semi-professional photo-editing ambitions.

CalMAN: grayscale (uncalibrated)
CalMAN: grayscale (uncalibrated)
CalMAN: ColorChecker (uncalibrated)
CalMAN: ColorChecker (uncalibrated)
CalMAN: saturation (uncalibrated)
CalMAN: saturation (uncalibrated)
CalMAN: grayscale (calibrated)
CalMAN: grayscale (calibrated)
CalMAN: ColorChecker (calibrated)
CalMAN: ColorChecker (calibrated)
CalMAN: saturation (calibrated)
CalMAN: saturation (calibrated)

Outdoor usability is severely limited by the display’s poor brightness, but at least it remains somewhat usable in the shade thanks to its matte coating. If at all possible we suggest avoiding using the MSI P65 8RF outdoors.

MSI P65 8RF Creator in sunlight
MSI P65 8RF Creator in sunlight
MSI P65 8RF Creator in the shade
MSI P65 8RF Creator in the shade

Display Response Times

Display response times show how fast the screen is able to change from one color to the next. Slow response times can lead to afterimages and can cause moving objects to appear blurry (ghosting). Gamers of fast-paced 3D titles should pay special attention to fast response times.
       Response Time Black to White
11 ms ... rise ↗ and fall ↘ combined↗ 7 ms rise
↘ 4 ms fall
The screen shows good response rates in our tests, but may be too slow for competitive gamers.
In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.8 (minimum) to 240 (maximum) ms. » 7 % of all devices are better.
This means that the measured response time is better than the average of all tested devices (25.6 ms).
       Response Time 50% Grey to 80% Grey
16 ms ... rise ↗ and fall ↘ combined↗ 9 ms rise
↘ 7 ms fall
The screen shows good response rates in our tests, but may be too slow for competitive gamers.
In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.9 (minimum) to 636 (maximum) ms. » 6 % of all devices are better.
This means that the measured response time is better than the average of all tested devices (41 ms).

Screen Flickering / PWM (Pulse-Width Modulation)

To dim the screen, some notebooks will simply cycle the backlight on and off in rapid succession - a method called Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) . This cycling frequency should ideally be undetectable to the human eye. If said frequency is too low, users with sensitive eyes may experience strain or headaches or even notice the flickering altogether.
Screen flickering / PWM not detected

In comparison: 52 % of all tested devices do not use PWM to dim the display. If PWM was detected, an average of 8931 (minimum: 43 - maximum: 142900) Hz was measured.

As expected, viewing angles were superb thanks to the IPS panel. We did notice very minor shifts in color representation at extreme angles that were unnoticeable during normal everyday use.

MSI P65 8RF Creator viewing angles
MSI P65 8RF Creator viewing angles

Performance

Performance-wise, the three P65 models differ mainly in their 3D performance. While the entry-level model features a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, the mid-range and top-tier units are equipped with a GeForce GTX 1060 Max-Q and a GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, respectively. All three feature the exact same Intel Core i7-8750H CPU with no other options available.

Content Creation with Adobe Photoshop or Adobe Premiere is a breeze on this device, and it handled even the most demanding applications just fine. Thanks to its low-key design and lack of RGB bling it is very business-compatible.

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GPU-Z
GPU-Z
GPU-Z
HWiNFO
DPC latencies
Intel Extreme Utility
Intel Extreme Utility (Benchmark)
 

Processor

Intel’s Core i7-8750H is a high-end notebook processor that can be mostly found in expensive multimedia and gaming laptops. It features six physical cores with up to 12 threads, is specified at 45 W, and it includes an integrated GPU to keep power consumption low. Its base clock of 2.2 GHz can boost up to 4.1 GHz. Additional information can be found here.

In our benchmarks, the P65’s Core i7-8750H performed very well overall, and it was on a par with its similarly equipped competitors. In CineBench R15 multi it even outperformed the Asus ZenBook Pro 15 with its Core i9-8950HK and scored an impressive 1,100 points.

Persistent load, however, is not its best friend, and like the ZenBook Pro 15 the P65 started to reduce clock speeds after a short while. In the long run, CineBench R15 scores settled at around 993 points, which is acceptable. Lenovo's ThinkPad X1 played in its own league and performed much better than the entire competition when undervolted.

Single-core rendering
Single-core rendering
Multi-core rendering
Multi-core rendering
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MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator Intel Core i7-8750H, Intel Core i7-8750H: Ø993 (983.33-1046.24)
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE Intel Core i9-8950HK, Intel Core i9-8950HK: Ø1039 (1027.64-1112.59)
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE Intel Core i7-8750H, Intel Core i7-8750H; Undervolting: Ø1218 (1194.56-1224.81)
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE Intel Core i7-8750H, Intel Core i7-8750H: Ø1065 (1052.44-1126.79)
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8 Intel Core i7-8750H, Intel Core i7-8750H: Ø1110 (1041.91-1133.72)
Cinebench R15
CPU Single 64Bit
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
Intel Core i9-8950HK
191 Points ∼100% +9%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
Intel Core i7-8750H
176 Points ∼92% +1%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
Intel Core i7-8750H
175 Points ∼92% 0%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
Intel Core i7-8750H
175 Points ∼92% 0%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H
175 Points ∼92%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H
  (163 - 177, n=51)
173 Points ∼91% -1%
Asus GL504GS
Intel Core i7-8750H
170 Points ∼89% -3%
Average of class Multimedia
  (36 - 191, n=337)
124 Points ∼65% -29%
CPU Multi 64Bit
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
Intel Core i7-8750H
1218 Points ∼100% +11%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
Intel Core i7-8750H
1135 Points ∼93% +3%
Asus GL504GS
Intel Core i7-8750H
1190 Points ∼98% +8%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
Intel Core i7-8750H
1133 Points ∼93% +3%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H
  (863 - 1251, n=54)
1105 Points ∼91% 0%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H
1100 Points ∼90%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
Intel Core i9-8950HK
1074 Points ∼88% -2%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
Intel Core i7-8750H
1053 Points ∼86% -4%
Average of class Multimedia
  (73 - 1550, n=348)
458 Points ∼38% -58%
Cinebench R11.5
CPU Single 64Bit
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
Intel Core i9-8950HK
2.16 Points ∼100% +9%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
Intel Core i7-8750H
2 Points ∼93% +1%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H
1.99 Points ∼92%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
Intel Core i7-8750H
1.98 Points ∼92% -1%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H
  (1.89 - 2, n=34)
1.965 Points ∼91% -1%
Asus GL504GS
Intel Core i7-8750H
1.92 Points ∼89% -4%
Average of class Multimedia
  (0.39 - 2.16, n=410)
1.288 Points ∼60% -35%
CPU Multi 64Bit
Asus GL504GS
Intel Core i7-8750H
13.26 Points ∼100% +16%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
Intel Core i7-8750H
12.93 Points ∼98% +13%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H
  (9.54 - 13.5, n=35)
12.3 Points ∼93% +8%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
Intel Core i9-8950HK
11.95 Points ∼90% +5%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
Intel Core i7-8750H
11.82 Points ∼89% +3%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H
11.43 Points ∼86%
Average of class Multimedia
  (0.59 - 17.6, n=676)
3.7 Points ∼28% -68%
HWBOT x265 Benchmark v2.2 - 4k Preset
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H
7.56 fps ∼100%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H
 
7.56 fps ∼100% 0%
Average of class Multimedia
  (0.46 - 7.56, n=7)
4.7 fps ∼62% -38%
X264 HD Benchmark 4.0
Pass 2
Average Intel Core i7-8750H
  (64.2 - 70.2, n=2)
67.2 fps ∼100% +5%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H
64.15 (min: 63.7, max: 66.5) fps ∼95%
Average of class Multimedia
  (4.47 - 85.2, n=137)
25.9 fps ∼39% -60%
Pass 1
Average Intel Core i7-8750H
  (194 - 207, n=2)
200 fps ∼100% +3%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H
193.5 (min: 190, max: 197) fps ∼97%
Average of class Multimedia
  (21.5 - 214, n=137)
111 fps ∼56% -43%
wPrime 2.0x
1024m
Average of class Multimedia
  (176 - 2326, n=376)
632 s * ∼100% -260%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H
175.745 s * ∼28%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H
  (125 - 181, n=6)
158 s * ∼25% +10%
32m
Average of class Multimedia
  (6.34 - 78.5, n=374)
20 s * ∼100% -216%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H
  (4.35 - 16.3, n=6)
7.14 s * ∼36% -13%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H
6.337 s * ∼32%
Blender 2.79 - ---
Average of class Multimedia
  (466 - 8409, n=6)
2379 Seconds * ∼100% -411%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H
 
466 Seconds * ∼20% -0%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H
465.5 Seconds * ∼20%

* ... smaller is better

Cinebench R10
Cinebench R10
Cinebench R11.5
Cinebench R11.5
Cinebench R15
Cinebench R15
Jetstream 1.1
Jetstream 1.1
Octane V2
Octane V2
Mozilla Kraken 1.1
Mozilla Kraken 1.1
Cinebench R10 Shading 32Bit
7795
Cinebench R10 Rendering Single CPUs 64Bit
8498 Points
Cinebench R10 Rendering Multiple CPUs 64Bit
33944 Points
Cinebench R10 Shading 64Bit
8010 Points
Cinebench R10 Rendering Single 32Bit
6440
Cinebench R10 Rendering Multiple CPUs 32Bit
31213
Cinebench R11.5 CPU Multi 32Bit
10.55 Points
Cinebench R11.5 OpenGL 32Bit
71.66 fps
Cinebench R11.5 CPU Single 64Bit
1.99 Points
Cinebench R11.5 CPU Multi 64Bit
11.43 Points
Cinebench R11.5 OpenGL 64Bit
72.01 fps
Cinebench R11.5 CPU Single 32Bit
1.77 Points
Cinebench R15 CPU Single 64Bit
175 Points
Cinebench R15 Ref. Match 64Bit
99.6 %
Cinebench R15 OpenGL 64Bit
102.09 fps
Cinebench R15 CPU Multi 64Bit
1100 Points
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System Performance

In our PCMark 10 benchmarks the P65 Creator scored somewhere mid-field and was around 9% slower than the front-runner in this category. All devices performed very similarly overall, and the scores were very close to each other without any clear-cut winners or losers.

We experienced no hiccups or other irregularities during our entire review period with the P65. The hardware seems to be well balanced, and LatencyMon failed to detect any significant latencies. With 16 GB of RAM and its 512 GB SSD the stylish device was sufficiently well-equipped for office use as well as for the latest games.

PCMark 10
PCMark 10
PCMark 8 Home
PCMark 8 Home
PCMark 8 Creative
PCMark 8 Creative
PCMark 8 Work
PCMark 8 Work
PCMark 8 Storage
PCMark 8 Storage
PCMark 10
Digital Content Creation
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
6775 Points ∼100% +17%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q (5793 - 7303, n=9)
6468 Points ∼95% +12%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
6314 Points ∼93% +9%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
5802 Points ∼86% 0%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
5793 Points ∼86%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
4908 Points ∼72% -15%
Asus GL504GS
4450 Points ∼66% -23%
Average of class Multimedia (1511 - 5823, n=68)
3620 Points ∼53% -38%
Productivity
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
8020 Points ∼100% +14%
Asus GL504GS
7963 Points ∼99% +13%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
7750 Points ∼97% +10%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q (7032 - 7793, n=9)
7324 Points ∼91% +4%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
7150 Points ∼89% +1%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
7065 Points ∼88%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
6671 Points ∼83% -6%
Average of class Multimedia (3113 - 8020, n=69)
5995 Points ∼75% -15%
Essentials
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
9087 Points ∼100% +16%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
8971 Points ∼99% +14%
Asus GL504GS
8758 Points ∼96% +12%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q (6838 - 9270, n=9)
8199 Points ∼90% +4%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
7853 Points ∼86%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
7785 Points ∼86% -1%
Average of class Multimedia (3733 - 9360, n=69)
7201 Points ∼79% -8%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
6838 Points ∼75% -13%
Score
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
5358 Points ∼100% +9%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q (4910 - 5728, n=9)
5223 Points ∼97% +6%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
5095 Points ∼95% +4%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
5059 Points ∼94% +3%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
4910 Points ∼92%
Asus GL504GS
4854 Points ∼91% -1%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
4785 Points ∼89% -3%
Average of class Multimedia (2046 - 5358, n=69)
3820 Points ∼71% -22%
PCMark 8
Work Score Accelerated v2
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
5676 Points ∼100% 0%
Asus GL504GS
5673 Points ∼100% 0%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
5651 Points ∼100%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q (5323 - 5818, n=10)
5628 Points ∼99% 0%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
5621 Points ∼99% -1%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
4456 Points ∼79% -21%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
4381 Points ∼77% -22%
Average of class Multimedia (2213 - 5651, n=254)
4239 Points ∼75% -25%
Home Score Accelerated v2
Asus GL504GS
5390 Points ∼100% +21%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
4665 Points ∼87% +5%
Average Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q (4393 - 5130, n=10)
4599 Points ∼85% +3%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
4504 Points ∼84% +1%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
4446 Points ∼82%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
3661 Points ∼68% -18%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
3611 Points ∼67% -19%
Average of class Multimedia (1740 - 4693, n=274)
3352 Points ∼62% -25%

Legend

 
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Kingston RBUSNS8154P3512GJ
 
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE Intel Core i9-8950HK, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Laptop), Samsung SSD PM961 1TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe (MZVLW1T0)
 
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8 Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Toshiba NVMe THNSN5512GPU7
 
Asus GL504GS Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (Laptop), Samsung SSD PM981 MZVLB512HAJQ
 
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Samsung SSD PM981 MZVLB512HAJQ
 
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Max-Q, Samsung SSD PM981 MZVLB1T0HALR
PCMark 8 Home Score Accelerated v2
4446 points
PCMark 8 Creative Score Accelerated v2
5264 points
PCMark 8 Work Score Accelerated v2
5651 points
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Storage Devices

European P65 Creator models can only be purchased with a 512 GB NVMe-SSD. In other parts of the world, including the US, the 512 GB SSD is an optional upgrade and the devices are equipped with a 256 GB SSD by default. Our review unit came with a Kingston M.2 SSD that performed very well in our tests. Keep in mind though that many NVMe SSDs reach upwards of 1,000 MB/s in sequential read and write. At 849 and 869 MB/s our review unit’s SSD performed much faster than any SATA III SSD (usually limited to around 500 MB/s).

We were particularly impressed with its 4K read performance of 36 MB/s. Boot time and application launch times benefit the most from this capability. Unfortunately, the device lacks a secondary storage bay, and we would have loved to see at least a second M.2 slot.

AS SSD
AS SSD
CDM 3
CDM 3
CDM 5
CDM 5
CDM 6
CDM 6
CDI
CDI
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Kingston RBUSNS8154P3512GJ
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
Samsung SSD PM961 1TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe (MZVLW1T0)
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
Toshiba NVMe THNSN5512GPU7
Asus GL504GS
Samsung SSD PM981 MZVLB512HAJQ
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
Samsung SSD PM981 MZVLB512HAJQ
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
Samsung SSD PM981 MZVLB1T0HALR
CrystalDiskMark 5.2 / 6
33%
21%
42%
35%
71%
Write 4K
89.19
125
40%
94.43
6%
97.91
10%
95.3
7%
123.72
39%
Read 4K
34.36
44.68
30%
37.65
10%
41.23
20%
40.13
17%
44.07
28%
Write Seq
949.4
1059
12%
1335
41%
1852
95%
1883
98%
2215.11
133%
Read Seq
898.9
771.7
-14%
1404
56%
1761
96%
1322
47%
2241.58
149%
Write 4K Q32T1
371.4
506.6
36%
268.6
-28%
297.7
-20%
309.9
-17%
313.86
-15%
Read 4K Q32T1
399
614
54%
332.8
-17%
344.2
-14%
353.7
-11%
359.81
-10%
Write Seq Q32T1
1035.1
1763
70%
1375
33%
1864
80%
1919
85%
2403.8
132%
Read Seq Q32T1
1603.3
2171
35%
2627
64%
2738
71%
2466
54%
3332.7
108%
AS SSD
72%
19%
83%
72%
123%
Score Total
2233
4065
82%
2536
14%
4318
93%
4122
85%
5355
140%
Score Write
773
1547
100%
939
21%
1983
157%
2051
165%
2147
178%
Score Read
960
1679
75%
1092
14%
1542
61%
1346
40%
2132
122%
Access Time Write *
0.044
0.036
18%
0.046
-5%
0.035
20%
0.035
20%
0.028
36%
Access Time Read *
0.104
0.04
62%
0.119
-14%
0.049
53%
0.073
30%
0.034
67%
4K-64 Write
602.1
1272.75
111%
742.09
23%
1704.11
183%
1760.16
192%
1782.15
196%
4K-64 Read
838.97
1431.02
71%
847.34
1%
1305.47
56%
1170.26
39%
1804.84
115%
4K Write
84.45
100.89
19%
80.44
-5%
105.67
25%
107.15
27%
130.92
55%
4K Read
36.43
37.78
4%
23.36
-36%
53.26
46%
48.94
34%
56.81
56%
Seq Write
869.07
1728.67
99%
1163.11
34%
1729.74
99%
1834.04
111%
2336
169%
Seq Read
849.69
2098.63
147%
2212.97
160%
1836.5
116%
1266.1
49%
2703
218%
Total Average (Program / Settings)
53% / 55%
20% / 20%
63% / 66%
54% / 56%
97% / 101%

* ... smaller is better

Kingston RBUSNS8154P3512GJ
Sequential Read: 858.2 MB/s
Sequential Write: 879.4 MB/s
512K Read: 604 MB/s
512K Write: 796.4 MB/s
4K Read: 34.15 MB/s
4K Write: 85.1 MB/s
4K QD32 Read: 354.8 MB/s
4K QD32 Write: 321.9 MB/s

GPU Performance

In addition to the integrated Intel UHD Graphics 630 the P65 Creator also features a dedicated Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q. This particular GPU is only available on the top model. The decision to opt for the more efficient Max-Q design is a very welcome one considering the device’s thin design. It comes at a price, though, as the regular GTX 1070 is faster than its Max-Q equivalent. Since they are practically identical, the P65 and GS65 performed almost identically in our benchmarks.

If you intend to use the device for professional workloads you may want to take a closer look at the MSI WS63 workstation notebook. It features a Quadro P3000 GPU that cannot keep up with its gaming counterparts in 3DMark but outperforms every single one of them in the SPECviewperf tests by quite significant margins. This workstation is thus truly made for professional 3D workloads.

Additional GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q benchmarks can be found here.

3DMark 11 - 1280x720 Performance GPU
Asus GL504GS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (Laptop), Intel Core i7-8750H
21058 Points ∼100% +15%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
19162 Points ∼91% +5%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (17680 - 20829, n=18)
19016 Points ∼90% +4%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
18687 Points ∼89% +2%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
18234 Points ∼87%
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
12105 Points ∼57% -34%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Laptop), Intel Core i9-8950HK
8854 Points ∼42% -51%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
8619 Points ∼41% -53%
Average of class Multimedia
  (352 - 18234, n=605)
2791 Points ∼13% -85%
3DMark
2560x1440 Time Spy Graphics
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
4734 Points ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (4548 - 4795, n=5)
4687 Points ∼99% -1%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
2196 Points ∼46% -54%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Laptop), Intel Core i9-8950HK
2075 Points ∼44% -56%
Average of class Multimedia
  (281 - 4734, n=42)
1552 Points ∼33% -67%
1920x1080 Fire Strike Graphics
Asus GL504GS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (Laptop), Intel Core i7-8750H
16345 Points ∼100% +13%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
15156 Points ∼93% +5%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (14146 - 16165, n=16)
14910 Points ∼91% +3%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
14780 Points ∼90% +2%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
14463 Points ∼88%
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
9489 Points ∼58% -34%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Laptop), Intel Core i9-8950HK
7291 Points ∼45% -50%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
7199 Points ∼44% -50%
Average of class Multimedia
  (337 - 14463, n=381)
2693 Points ∼16% -81%
1280x720 Cloud Gate Standard Graphics
Asus GL504GS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (Laptop), Intel Core i7-8750H
107472 Points ∼100% +46%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
104942 Points ∼98% +42%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
98013 Points ∼91% +33%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (73739 - 107807, n=16)
97317 Points ∼91% +32%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
73739 Points ∼69%
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
65089 Points ∼61% -12%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Laptop), Intel Core i9-8950HK
43721 Points ∼41% -41%
Average of class Multimedia
  (2468 - 77755, n=383)
15946 Points ∼15% -78%
SPECviewperf 12
1900x1060 Solidworks (sw-03)
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
102.91 fps ∼100% +130%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (44.8 - 50.9, n=2)
47.8 fps ∼46% +7%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
44.79 fps ∼44%
Average of class Multimedia
  (4.41 - 53, n=26)
24.3 fps ∼24% -46%
1900x1060 Siemens NX (snx-02)
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
71.77 fps ∼100% +968%
Average of class Multimedia
  (1.26 - 85.3, n=26)
8.06 fps ∼11% +20%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (6.72 - 6.96, n=2)
6.84 fps ∼10% +2%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
6.72 fps ∼9%
1900x1060 Showcase (showcase-01)
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (71.6 - 78.8, n=2)
75.2 fps ∼100% +5%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
71.58 fps ∼95%
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
54.77 fps ∼73% -23%
Average of class Multimedia
  (8.5 - 71.6, n=26)
20.7 fps ∼28% -71%
1900x1060 Medical (medical-01)
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (32.7 - 36, n=2)
34.4 fps ∼100% +5%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
32.67 fps ∼95%
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
29.82 fps ∼87% -9%
Average of class Multimedia
  (1.35 - 32.7, n=26)
9.83 fps ∼29% -70%
1900x1060 Maya (maya-04)
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (83.5 - 101, n=2)
92.4 fps ∼100% +11%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
83.45 fps ∼90%
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
67.65 fps ∼73% -19%
Average of class Multimedia
  (6.84 - 83.5, n=25)
28.8 fps ∼31% -65%
1900x1060 Energy (energy-01)
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
7.7 fps ∼100% +12%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
6.88 fps ∼89%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (6.88 - 6.88, n=2)
6.88 fps ∼89% 0%
Average of class Multimedia
  (0.11 - 19.5, n=26)
6.47 fps ∼84% -6%
1900x1060 Creo (creo-01)
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
87 fps ∼100% +93%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (45.1 - 45.4, n=2)
45.2 fps ∼52% 0%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
45.05 fps ∼52%
Average of class Multimedia
  (6.78 - 51.4, n=26)
25 fps ∼29% -45%
1900x1060 Catia (catia-04)
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
96.46 fps ∼100% +54%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (62.7 - 63.9, n=2)
63.3 fps ∼66% +1%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
62.71 fps ∼65%
Average of class Multimedia
  (7.02 - 62.7, n=26)
23.4 fps ∼24% -63%
LuxMark v2.0 64Bit
Room GPUs-only
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (2460 - 2586, n=2)
2523 Samples/s ∼100% +3%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
2460 Samples/s ∼98%
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
1805 Samples/s ∼72% -27%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Laptop), Intel Core i9-8950HK
1425 Samples/s ∼56% -42%
Average of class Multimedia
  (47 - 2460, n=82)
492 Samples/s ∼20% -80%
Sala GPUs-only
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, Intel Core i7-8750H
4998 Samples/s ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (4877 - 4998, n=2)
4938 Samples/s ∼99% -1%
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
NVIDIA Quadro P3000, Intel Core i7-7700HQ
3317 Samples/s ∼66% -34%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Laptop), Intel Core i9-8950HK
2600 Samples/s ∼52% -48%
Average of class Multimedia
  (101 - 4998, n=82)
887 Samples/s ∼18% -82%
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3DMark Ice Storm Extreme
3DMark Cloud Gate
3DMark Sky Diver
3DMark Fire Strike
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3DMark 11
3DMark Vantage
 
3DMark 06 Standard
33475 points
3DMark Vantage P Result
44090 points
3DMark 11 Performance
14492 points
3DMark Ice Storm Standard Score
80916 points
3DMark Cloud Gate Standard Score
29275 points
3DMark Fire Strike Score
12573 points
3DMark Fire Strike Extreme Score
6589 points
3DMark Time Spy Score
4763 points
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Gaming Performance

Even though the MSI P65 Creator was made with professional workloads in mind it is capable of running the latest games perfectly smooth in 1080p thanks to its hexa-core CPU and its GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q GPU. Higher resolutions require a faster GPU, though.

In our sustained load The Witcher 3 test the P65 8RF performed admirably even though we were able to determine a slight drop in performance, from 53 FPS at the beginning to 49.9 FPS after around 30 minutes. The minimum of 45 FPS means that we did not experience any annoying frame drops whatsoever.

Additional GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q gaming benchmarks can be found here.

The Witcher 3 - 1920x1080 Ultra Graphics & Postprocessing (HBAO+)
Asus GL504GS
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (Laptop)
55.6 fps ∼100% +8%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
52.7 fps ∼95% +2%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
52.4 fps ∼94% +2%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
51.5 (min: 45, max: 58) fps ∼93%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (46 - 55.3, n=19)
51.5 fps ∼93% 0%
MSI WS63 7RF-290US
Intel Core i7-7700HQ, NVIDIA Quadro P3000
33 fps ∼59% -36%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Max-Q
24.9 fps ∼45% -52%
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 UX580GE
Intel Core i9-8950HK, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Laptop)
24.2 fps ∼44% -53%
Average of class Multimedia
  (2.9 - 51.5, n=79)
18.1 fps ∼33% -65%
Shadow of the Tomb Raider - 1920x1080 Highest Preset AA:T
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (58 - 61, n=3)
59 fps ∼100% +2%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
58 fps ∼98%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Max-Q
29 fps ∼49% -50%
Average of class Multimedia
  (6 - 58, n=7)
22.6 fps ∼38% -61%
Far Cry 5 - 1920x1080 Ultra Preset AA:T
Asus GL504GS
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (Laptop)
87 fps ∼100% +18%
MSI GS65 8RF-019DE Stealth Thin
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
78 fps ∼90% +5%
Gigabyte Aero 15X v8
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
75 fps ∼86% +1%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (72 - 78, n=4)
74.8 fps ∼86% +1%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
74 (min: 59, max: 87) fps ∼85%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Max-Q
41 fps ∼47% -45%
Average of class Multimedia
  (6 - 74, n=15)
26.9 fps ∼31% -64%
F1 2018 - 1920x1080 Ultra High Preset AA:T AF:16x
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
76 (min: 65, max: 88) fps ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (70 - 76, n=3)
74 fps ∼97% -3%
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme-20MF000XGE
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Max-Q
38 fps ∼50% -50%
Average of class Multimedia
  (8 - 76, n=13)
24.1 fps ∼32% -68%
Forza Horizon 4 - 1920x1080 Ultra Preset AA:2xMS
Average NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
  (78 - 80, n=2)
79 fps ∼100% +1%
MSI P65 8RF-451 - Creator
Intel Core i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
78 fps ∼99%
Average of class Multimedia
  (12 - 78, n=7)
30 fps ∼38% -62%
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