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In an embarrassment for Nvidia, the cheaper GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q can outperform some GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q laptops

Embarrassingly for Nvidia, the cheaper GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q can perform faster than some GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q laptops
Embarrassingly for Nvidia, the cheaper GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q can perform faster than some GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q laptops
These latest GeForce Super Max-Q laptops offer just marginal advantages over regular Max-Q laptops at best or they can even perform slower at worst.

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A couple of months ago prior to the launch of the mobile GeForce Super Max-Q series, we warned that the performance gaps between mobile GeForce GPUs and GeForce Max-Q GPUs were already so minor that the GeForce Super Max-Q series would risk overlapping with existing SKUs. Sure enough, now that we've tested a handful of Super Max-Q laptops, some are already performing slower than their older non-Super counterparts.

The most recent example is the 2020 Razer Blade Pro 17 which can be configured with either the RTX 2070 Max-Q or RTX 2080 Super Max-Q. Even the base RTX 2070 Max-Q, however, is able to marginally outperform most RTX 2070 Super Max-Q and RTX 2080 Super Max-Q laptops currently available including the Aorus 17G, Gigabyte Aero 17, or MSI GS66. The only exception thus far is the Acer Predator Triton 500 and its RTX 2080 Super Max-Q GPU, but the performance advantage is still merely a few percentage points over our RTX 2070 Max-Q according to 3DMark.

If laptops with the older RTX 2070 Max-Q or RTX 2080 Max-Q have the potential to outperform their newer Super Max-Q variants, then it calls into question if the Super Max-Q series was ever needed in the first place. It's becoming clearer that the Super Max-Q series was designed to be Nvidia's stopgap before eventually launching the much more powerful Ampere family of GPUs.

3DMark
2560x1440 Port Royal Graphics
Acer Predator Triton 500 PT515-52-70N3
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
5086 Points ∼100% +7%
Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2070 Max-Q 300 Hz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q, i7-10875H
4742 Points ∼93%
Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED XB-8DE51B0SP
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
4693 Points ∼92% -1%
MSI GS66 10SGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
4657 Points ∼92% -2%
Gigabyte Aero 17 HDR XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
4477 Points ∼88% -6%
Aorus 17G XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
4411 Points ∼87% -7%
MSI GS66 Stealth 10SFS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i9-10980HK
4280 Points ∼84% -10%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q
  (3240 - 4742, n=19)
3745 Points ∼74% -21%
2560x1440 Time Spy Graphics
Acer Predator Triton 500 PT515-52-70N3
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
8379 Points ∼100% +4%
Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2070 Max-Q 300 Hz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q, i7-10875H
8065 Points ∼96%
Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED XB-8DE51B0SP
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
7829 Points ∼93% -3%
MSI GS66 10SGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
7618 Points ∼91% -6%
Gigabyte Aero 17 HDR XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
7468 Points ∼89% -7%
Aorus 17G XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
7358 Points ∼88% -9%
MSI GS66 Stealth 10SFS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i9-10980HK
7084 Points ∼85% -12%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q
  (5948 - 8065, n=22)
6643 Points ∼79% -18%
2560x1440 Time Spy Score
Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2070 Max-Q 300 Hz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q, i7-10875H
8236 Points ∼100%
Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED XB-8DE51B0SP
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
8066 Points ∼98% -2%
Acer Predator Triton 500 PT515-52-70N3
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
8043 Points ∼98% -2%
Gigabyte Aero 17 HDR XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
7650 Points ∼93% -7%
Aorus 17G XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
7633 Points ∼93% -7%
MSI GS66 10SGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
7475 Points ∼91% -9%
MSI GS66 Stealth 10SFS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i9-10980HK
7272 Points ∼88% -12%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q
  (5989 - 8236, n=22)
6606 Points ∼80% -20%
1920x1080 Fire Strike Graphics
Acer Predator Triton 500 PT515-52-70N3
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
22326 Points ∼100% +5%
Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2070 Max-Q 300 Hz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q, i7-10875H
21191 Points ∼95%
Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED XB-8DE51B0SP
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
21121 Points ∼95% 0%
Aorus 17G XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
21004 Points ∼94% -1%
Gigabyte Aero 17 HDR XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
20914 Points ∼94% -1%
MSI GS66 10SGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
20117 Points ∼90% -5%
MSI GS66 Stealth 10SFS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i9-10980HK
18992 Points ∼85% -10%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q
  (11563 - 21191, n=25)
17351 Points ∼78% -18%
1920x1080 Fire Strike Score
Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED XB-8DE51B0SP
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
18947 Points ∼100% +2%
Aorus 17G XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
18852 Points ∼99% +2%
Acer Predator Triton 500 PT515-52-70N3
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
18678 Points ∼99% +1%
Gigabyte Aero 17 HDR XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
18582 Points ∼98% 0%
Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2070 Max-Q 300 Hz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q, i7-10875H
18543 Points ∼98%
MSI GS66 10SGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
17585 Points ∼93% -5%
MSI GS66 Stealth 10SFS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i9-10980HK
17312 Points ∼91% -7%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q
  (10797 - 18543, n=27)
15589 Points ∼82% -16%
3DMark 11
1280x720 Performance Combined
Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED XB-8DE51B0SP
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
16347 Points ∼100% +5%
Gigabyte Aero 17 HDR XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
16311 Points ∼100% +5%
Aorus 17G XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
16266 Points ∼100% +5%
MSI GS66 Stealth 10SFS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i9-10980HK
15792 Points ∼97% +1%
Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2070 Max-Q 300 Hz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q, i7-10875H
15564 Points ∼95%
MSI GS66 10SGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
13592 Points ∼83% -13%
Acer Predator Triton 500 PT515-52-70N3
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
12708 Points ∼78% -18%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q
  (9107 - 15962, n=24)
12085 Points ∼74% -22%
1280x720 Performance GPU
Acer Predator Triton 500 PT515-52-70N3
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
30456 Points ∼100% +10%
Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED XB-8DE51B0SP
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
28900 Points ∼95% +4%
Gigabyte Aero 17 HDR XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
28555 Points ∼94% +3%
Aorus 17G XB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i7-10875H
27955 Points ∼92% +1%
Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2070 Max-Q 300 Hz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q, i7-10875H
27694 Points ∼91%
MSI GS66 10SGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q, i7-10750H
26855 Points ∼88% -3%
MSI GS66 Stealth 10SFS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, i9-10980HK
25135 Points ∼83% -9%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q
  (14723 - 27694, n=24)
22097 Points ∼73% -20%
Dota 2 Reborn - 1920x1080 ultra (3/3) best looking
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q
  (120 - 132, n=4)
128 fps ∼100% +2%
Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2070 Max-Q 300 Hz
Intel Core i7-10875H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q
126 (min: 108.2) fps ∼98%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q
  (116 - 125, n=3)
120 fps ∼94% -5%
X-Plane 11.11 - 1920x1080 high (fps_test=3)
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q
  (82.3 - 89.3, n=4)
86.7 fps ∼100% +2%
Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2070 Max-Q 300 Hz
Intel Core i7-10875H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q
85.3 fps ∼98%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q
  (76.8 - 84.3, n=3)
80.2 fps ∼93% -6%
The Witcher 3 - 1920x1080 Ultra Graphics & Postprocessing (HBAO+)
Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2070 Max-Q 300 Hz
Intel Core i7-10875H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q
80.9 (min: 75, max: 90) fps ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super Max-Q
  (74.3 - 83.4, n=5)
78.2 fps ∼97% -3%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Max-Q
  (70.5 - 79.1, n=5)
74.9 fps ∼93% -7%
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Allen Ngo, 2020-06-28 (Update: 2020-06-30)
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After graduating with a B.S. in environmental hydrodynamics from the University of California, I studied reactor physics to become licensed by the U.S. NRC to operate nuclear reactors. There's a striking level of appreciation you gain for everyday consumer electronics after working with modern nuclear reactivity systems astonishingly powered by computers from the 80s. When I'm not managing day-to-day activities and US review articles on Notebookcheck, you can catch me following the eSports scene and the latest gaming news.