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Uh oh, the mobile GeForce RTX 3070 Ti can be slower than an older regular GeForce RTX 3070 alternative

Uh oh, the mobile GeForce RTX 3070 Ti can be slower than an older regular GeForce RTX 3070 alternative (Image source: Steam)
Uh oh, the mobile GeForce RTX 3070 Ti can be slower than an older regular GeForce RTX 3070 alternative (Image source: Steam)
It's Max-Q all over again. Certain GeForce RTX 3070 Ti laptops can be up to 20 percent faster than others with the exact same GPU due to the wide TGP range between laptop models. If you're in the market for a fancy RTX 3070 Ti or RTX 3080 Ti laptop, then be sure to look at the specified TGP target whenever possible to get the most out of the GPU.
Allen Ngo, 🇷🇺

A big reason why Nvidia ditched the GeForce Max-Q series was that some Max-Q laptops would actually outperform some non-Max-Q laptops leading to potential confusion amongst customers. Unfortunately, we are again seeing history repeat itself with the new mobile GeForce RTX 3070 Ti versus the older regular mobile GeForce RTX 3070.

MSI recently sent us the thicker Vector GP66 and slimmer Stealth GS66 each equipped with the same RTX 3070 Ti GPU. The former, however, would target a much higher TGP ceiling of 150 W versus only 105 W on the latter. GPU Boost clock rates can reach 1035 MHz and 1485 MHz on the GS66 and GP66, respectively, leading to 15 to 17 percent slower 3DMark GPU results on the GS66. This deficit is enough to make the RTX 3070 Ti in the GS66 slower than some laptops with the regular mobile GeForce RTX 3070 like the Schenker XMG Apex 17. GPU-bound titles like Final Fantasy XV can run faster on the Schenker than on the GS66 by up to 15 percent as a result despite the supposedly faster and newer "Ti" graphics of the GS66.

For shoppers, this means that one can't simply look at the name of the GPU anymore when comparing graphics power between laptops. Before the launch of the mobile GeForce RTX Ti series, an RTX 3070 laptop would almost surely be slower than an RTX 3080 laptop. The same cannot be said when comparing between RTX 3070 and RTX 3070 Ti laptops since their performances are more likely to overlap. In other words, we now have the Max-Q problem all over again.

3DMark
1920x1080 Fire Strike Graphics
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU, Intel Core i9-12900H
29729 Points ∼100%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU, AMD Ryzen 7 5800H
27138 Points ∼91%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU, Intel Core i7-12700H
25169 Points ∼85%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (16628 - 29128, n=39)
24591 Points ∼83%
2560x1440 Time Spy Graphics
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU, Intel Core i9-12900H
11739 Points ∼100%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU, AMD Ryzen 7 5800H
10797 Points ∼92%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU, Intel Core i7-12700H
9758 Points ∼83%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (6059 - 11019, n=40)
9462 Points ∼81%
2560x1440 Port Royal Graphics
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU, Intel Core i9-12900H
7269 Points ∼100%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU, AMD Ryzen 7 5800H
6540 Points ∼90%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU, Intel Core i7-12700H
6005 Points ∼83%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (4510 - 6542, n=26)
5788 Points ∼80%
3DMark 11 - 1280x720 Performance GPU
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU, Intel Core i9-12900H
40880 Points ∼100%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU, AMD Ryzen 7 5800H
37405 Points ∼91%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (20039 - 38275, n=40)
33144 Points ∼81%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU, Intel Core i7-12700H
32525 Points ∼80%
Final Fantasy XV Benchmark
1280x720 Lite Quality (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
207 fps ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (137 - 207, n=23)
159.7 fps ∼77%
1920x1080 Standard Quality (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
152 fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
117 (47min) fps ∼77%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
132 (68min) fps ∼87%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (67 - 144, n=25)
116 fps ∼76%
1920x1080 High Quality (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
115 fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
87 (53min) fps ∼76%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
100 (52min) fps ∼87%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (62 - 107, n=33)
87.6 fps ∼76%
The Witcher 3
1024x768 Low Graphics & Postprocessing (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
492.3 (456min) fps ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (209 - 672, n=25)
355 fps ∼72%
1366x768 Medium Graphics & Postprocessing (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
360 (324min) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
271 (241min) fps ∼75%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
262 (216min) fps ∼73%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (179.9 - 331, n=25)
258 fps ∼72%
1920x1080 High Graphics & Postprocessing (Nvidia HairWorks Off) (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
223.9 (214min) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
166 (146min) fps ∼74%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
174 (147min) fps ∼78%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (122.1 - 207, n=28)
166.8 fps ∼74%
1920x1080 Ultra Graphics & Postprocessing (HBAO+) (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
114.6 (108min) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
90.4 (78min) fps ∼79%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
100 (85min) fps ∼87%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (73.5 - 109, n=40)
92.7 fps ∼81%
Far Cry 5
1280x720 Low Preset AA:T (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
180 (129min) fps ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (123 - 165, n=20)
140.5 fps ∼78%
1920x1080 Low Preset AA:T (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
171 (118min) fps ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (108 - 158, n=14)
132.1 fps ∼77%
1920x1080 Medium Preset AA:T (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
152 (122min) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
139 (112min) fps ∼91%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
124 (91min) fps ∼82%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (100 - 140, n=21)
117.7 fps ∼77%
1920x1080 High Preset AA:T (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
145 (116min) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
131 (113min) fps ∼90%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
119 (93min) fps ∼82%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (93 - 135, n=21)
112.2 fps ∼77%
1920x1080 Ultra Preset AA:T (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
136 (106min) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
118 (98min) fps ∼87%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
110 (87min) fps ∼81%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (89 - 126, n=28)
105.8 fps ∼78%
X-Plane 11.11
1280x720 low (fps_test=1) (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
161 fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
128 fps ∼80%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
104 fps ∼65%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (85 - 146, n=43)
108.7 fps ∼68%
1920x1080 med (fps_test=2) (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
143 fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
117 fps ∼82%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
91.9 fps ∼64%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (73.4 - 131, n=43)
95.5 fps ∼67%
1920x1080 high (fps_test=3) (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
112 fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
91.6 fps ∼82%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
75 fps ∼67%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (62.7 - 105, n=43)
78.1 fps ∼70%
Dota 2 Reborn
1280x720 min (0/3) fastest (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
185 (163.8min) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
181 (161.4min) fps ∼98%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
148 (129.9min) fps ∼80%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (127 - 211, n=41)
151.1 fps ∼82%
1366x768 med (1/3) (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
169 (146.1min) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
166 (147.5min) fps ∼98%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
135 (119.7min) fps ∼80%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (116 - 180, n=41)
136.8 fps ∼81%
1920x1080 high (2/3) (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
164 (143.6min) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
158 (139.6min) fps ∼96%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
127 (112.2min) fps ∼77%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (107 - 178, n=42)
127.9 fps ∼78%
1920x1080 ultra (3/3) best looking (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
155 (135.7min) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
151 (132.8min) fps ∼97%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
122 (107.8min) fps ∼79%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (103 - 158, n=41)
120.2 fps ∼78%
Strange Brigade
1280x720 lowest AF:1 (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
471 (207min, 340P1) fps ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (272 - 522, n=25)
377 fps ∼80%
1920x1080 medium AA:medium AF:4 (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
298 (114min, 246P1) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
216 (117min, 177P1) fps ∼72%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
203 (41.6min, 156P1) fps ∼68%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (146 - 279, n=26)
218 fps ∼73%
1920x1080 high AA:high AF:8 (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
244 (113min, 182P1) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
175 (95.7min, 131P1) fps ∼72%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
183 (79.5min, 124P1) fps ∼75%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (119 - 225, n=26)
183.7 fps ∼75%
1920x1080 ultra AA:ultra AF:16 (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
213 (67.3min, 162P1) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
153 (77.1min, 115P1) fps ∼72%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
173 (92.5min, 123P1) fps ∼81%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (105 - 194, n=31)
163.3 fps ∼77%
GTA V
1024x768 Lowest Settings possible (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
185 (2min, 143P1) fps ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (164 - 185, n=29)
178.6 fps ∼97%
1920x1080 Lowest Settings possible (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
186 (1.984min, 143P1) fps ∼100%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (150 - 186, n=28)
175.6 fps ∼94%
1366x768 Normal/Off AF:4x (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
184 (3.96min, 143P1) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
181 (2.7min, 143P1) fps ∼98%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
172 (5.32min, 125P1) fps ∼93%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (153 - 182, n=26)
172.2 fps ∼94%
1920x1080 Normal/Off AF:4x (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
183 (3.38min, 143P1) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
180 (2.72min, 125P1) fps ∼98%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
171 (6.63min, 111P1) fps ∼93%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (138 - 183, n=30)
169.1 fps ∼92%
1920x1080 High/On (Advanced Graphics Off) AA:2xMSAA + FX AF:8x (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
179 (3.57min, 125P1) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
170 (3.61min, 111P1) fps ∼95%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
158 (7.11min, 111P1) fps ∼88%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (111 - 175, n=30)
152.8 fps ∼85%
1920x1080 Highest Settings possible AA:4xMSAA + FX AF:16x (sort by value)
MSI Vector GP66 12UGS
Intel Core i9-12900H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
123 (4.38min, 83.3P1) fps ∼100%
MSI Stealth GS66 12UGS
Intel Core i7-12700H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU
105 (21.6min, 71.4P1) fps ∼85%
Schenker XMG Apex 17 M21
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
92.9 (23.7min, 58.8P1) fps ∼76%
Average NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU
  (72.6 - 114, n=35)
90.4 fps ∼73%
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Allen Ngo, 2022-02-28 (Update: 2022-02-28)