Wiko View 5 Smartphone Review - The 3.5-day mobile phone
The View 5's large 5,000-mAh battery is said to provide very long runtimes in combination with a 6.55-inch 720p IPS panel and the MediaTek Helio A25. According to the manufacturer, a "panel of experts", called SmartViser, confirms a guaranteed 3.5-day battery life on a single charge through a standardized battery test that simulates normal smartphone use.
In view of the economical hardware, the inexpensive View 5 (RRP: 169 Euros (~$201)) should definitely allow long battery life in our WLAN battery test.
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Comparison devices
Rating | Date | Model | Weight | Drive | Size | Resolution | Price |
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76 % v7 (old) | 11 / 2020 | Wiko View5 Helio A25, PowerVR GE8320 | 201 g | 64 GB eMMC Flash | 6.55" | 1600x720 | |
77.8 % v7 (old) | 09 / 2020 | Xiaomi Redmi 9 Helio G80, Mali-G52 MP2 | 198 g | 32 GB eMMC Flash | 6.53" | 2340x1080 | |
78.2 % v7 (old) | 06 / 2020 | Realme 6i Helio G80, Mali-G52 MP2 | 199 g | 128 GB eMMC Flash | 6.50" | 1600x720 | |
74.5 % v7 (old) | 10 / 2020 | Nokia 2.4 Helio P22 MT6762, PowerVR GE8320 | 195 g | 32 GB eMMC Flash | 6.50" | 1600x720 | |
79.9 % v7 (old) | 09 / 2020 | Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 Helio G85, Mali-G52 MP2 | 199 g | 64 GB eMMC Flash | 6.53" | 2340x1080 | |
76.4 % v7 (old) | 08 / 2020 | Samsung Galaxy A21s Exynos 850, Mali-G52 MP1 | 192 g | 32 GB eMMC Flash | 6.50" | 1600x720 |
Case - Wiko smartphone with punch-hole
The housing, which is mostly made of plastic, is well made, but it does not look very high quality. Thanks to the relatively narrow display edges - with the exception of the "chin" - the display-surface ratio of the Wiko phone is over 81%, which is not bad for this price range.
The controls for volume control and the on/off switch are solidly crafted and have a well defined pressure point. Creaking noises are not audible even with strong pressure on the back, but the plastic gives way noticeably at the height of the fingerprint sensor.
Equipment - Wiko View 5 with 3.5 mm jack
The Wiko smartphone is equipped with an FM radio and a 3.5 mm jack. 64 GB of internal eMMC memory is available, but only about 49 GB is available to the user when delivered. If the storage space is not enough, it can be expanded with an additional microSD card. However, the exFAT file system is not supported.
By means of OTG adapters, peripheral devices can be connected via the USB-C port. The data transfer of the USB interface is based on the 2.0 standard.
A wireless image transfer of display contents via Miracast does not work with our test device.
Software - View 5 with Android 10
As operating system, the French manufacturer installs Android Version 10, which is supplemented by a minimally adapted user interface. The security patches are still quite up-to-date at the time of testing with the September 2020 update.
DRM-protected content from streaming platforms cannot be played back in HD resolution with the DRM Widevine L3 certification of the View 5.
Communication and GPS - Wiko smartphone with band 28
Thanks to the IEEE 802.11 standard, the integrated WLAN module operates in accordance with a/b/g/n/ac in the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz frequency ranges. The transmission speed between the View 5 and our reference router Netgear Nighthawk AX12 is at a good level for a 170-Euro (~$202) phone and the signal is stable.
The dual SIM smartphone connects to the mobile Internet with up to two nanoSIM cards at LTE speed. As typical for a smartphone in this price range, the number of frequency bands supported by the Wiko phone is low. The View 5 can access only eight LTE bands. For local use, however, no compromises have to be made.
The situation is different for wireless communication capabilities. The entry-level smartphone does not have an NFC chip, and the View 5 is only compatible with Bluetooth version 4.2.
Networking | |
iperf3 transmit AX12 | |
Xiaomi Redmi 9 | |
Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 | |
Wiko View5 | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Realme 6i | |
Nokia 2.4 | |
iperf3 receive AX12 | |
Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 | |
Wiko View5 | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Xiaomi Redmi 9 | |
Nokia 2.4 | |
Realme 6i |
In order to be able to assess the positioning accuracy of our test device in practice, we record a route in parallel for comparison purposes with the GPS bicycle computer Garmin Edge 500. However, since problems occurred during the test - even though all energy-saving functions were disabled - the deviations of the GPS module are not available in detail for the View 5.
Phone features and voice quality - View 5 with Wi-Fi calling
Despite the low price, the View 5 supports VoLTE and Wi-Fi calling. The voice quality is good and voices are clearly reproduced.
Video calls are also possible with the Wiko smartphone without any problems. The call quality over the speakers via Skype is good and the microphone reproduces voices clearly.
Cameras - Wiko smartphone with quad-cam system
The entry-level Wiko smartphone is not a selfie expert. Photos taken with the View 5's 8-megapixel front camera have good dynamics, but they are relatively blurred and lacking in detail.
The 12-megapixel images of the 48-megapixel sensor, which are the result of 4-in-1-pixel binning, show subjects in a natural and appealing way. In view of the low EIA, the main camera of the View 5 lacks hardly anything in sharpness and dynamics. Especially in low light, the illumination is still on a good level, but the autofocus no longer works reliably and the blurriness increases sharply.
Additionally, the View 5 uses an 8-megapixel ultra-wide angle cam. Compared to the main sensor, the Wiko phone lacks good photo quality in this discipline. The pictures are poor in details, especially in the border areas of the photo that are blurred and picture errors creep in.
The low price of the Wiko phone is also noticeable in the video performance. The View 5 does not offer a UHD function.
Image Comparison
Choose a scene and navigate within the first image. One click changes the position on touchscreens. One click on the zoomed-in image opens the original in a new window. The first image shows the scaled photograph of the test device.
Wide angleWide angleZoomLow LightUltra wide angleAccessories and warranty - Wiko View 5 with headphones
The Wiko phone comes with a modular 10-watt power supply, headphones, a USB cable and a protective case. Optionally, the French manufacturer offers a Smart Folio for the View 5 as well as a 2-in-1 protection package, which includes a hybrid casing and a hardened protective glass.
The warranty period is 24 months from the date of purchase.
Input Devices and Operation - Wiko phone without face unlock
The capacitive multi-touch screen pleases in the test with precise operation. The glass surface feels pleasant to the touch and has good sliding properties.
To unlock the Wiko smartphone, biometric identification by face is not available. However, an active fingerprint sensor is hidden on the back. The recognition rate is good, even if the sensor is not really fast.
Thanks to a dedicated Google Assistant button, the personal Google Helper is quickly available at the touch of a button to activate voice control.
Display - View 5 only with 720p panel
The IPS LC display measures 6.55 inches diagonally. With a resolution of 1600x720 pixels, this results in a low pixel density of only 268 ppi, which is sufficient at normal viewing distances.
The maximum luminance of 495 cd/m² measured by us is not very high, but it is on par with the competition in this price segment. The realistic APL50 test (Average Picture Level) with evenly distributed bright and dark areas also results in an almost equal maximum brightness of 485 cd/m².
The high minimum brightness of the Wiko phone is striking. Here we measure a luminance of over 19 cd/m².
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Brightness Distribution: 88 %
Center on Battery: 495 cd/m²
Contrast: 3536:1 (Black: 0.14 cd/m²)
ΔE Color 6.5 | 0.5-29.43 Ø4.91
ΔE Greyscale 6.2 | 0.5-98 Ø5.2
89.1% sRGB (Calman 2D)
Gamma: 2.22
Wiko View5 LCD IPS, 1600x720, 6.6" | Xiaomi Redmi 9 IPS LCD, 2340x1080, 6.5" | Realme 6i IPS, 1600x720, 6.5" | Nokia 2.4 IPS, 1600x720, 6.5" | Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 IPS LCD, 2340x1080, 6.5" | Samsung Galaxy A21s PLS, 1600x720, 6.5" | |
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Screen | -43% | -17% | -12% | 24% | -27% | |
Brightness middle | 495 | 476 -4% | 518 5% | 445 -10% | 553 12% | 540 9% |
Brightness | 461 | 436 -5% | 484 5% | 405 -12% | 527 14% | 509 10% |
Brightness Distribution | 88 | 86 -2% | 89 1% | 85 -3% | 89 1% | 91 3% |
Black Level * | 0.14 | 0.67 -379% | 0.26 -86% | 0.26 -86% | 0.12 14% | 0.36 -157% |
Contrast | 3536 | 710 -80% | 1992 -44% | 1712 -52% | 4608 30% | 1500 -58% |
Colorchecker dE 2000 * | 6.5 | 3.51 46% | 5.8 11% | 4.73 27% | 3.8 42% | 6.58 -1% |
Colorchecker dE 2000 max. * | 10 | 9.38 6% | 11 -10% | 8.83 12% | 8.7 13% | 11.55 -16% |
Greyscale dE 2000 * | 6.2 | 1.5 76% | 7.3 -18% | 4.2 32% | 2.2 65% | 6.4 -3% |
Gamma | 2.22 99% | 2.166 102% | 2.23 99% | 2.292 96% | 2.3 96% | 2.206 100% |
CCT | 8157 80% | 6485 100% | 8037 81% | 7378 88% | 6727 97% | 8482 77% |
* ... smaller is better
Screen Flickering / PWM (Pulse-Width Modulation)
Screen flickering / PWM not detected | |||
In comparison: 53 % of all tested devices do not use PWM to dim the display. If PWM was detected, an average of 8705 (minimum: 5 - maximum: 343500) Hz was measured. |
The black value of the IPS panel of 0.14 cd/m² results in a very good contrast ratio of about 3,500:1. In the realistic APL50 measurement we determine a black value of 0.39 cd/m², so that the contrast ratio is significantly reduced (1,244:1) but still competitive.
Using the X-Rite i1pro 2 photo spectrometer and the CalMAN analysis software, the display color of the IPS panel is checked. The sRGB color space is largely covered by the IPS panel. However, the average delta E deviation in the range of grayscales and mixed colors is 6.2 and 6.5 in the "Standard" profile, respectively, which is well above the ideal range of <3.
Display Response Times
↔ Response Time Black to White | ||
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30.4 ms ... rise ↗ and fall ↘ combined | ↗ 16.4 ms rise | |
↘ 14 ms fall | ||
The screen shows slow response rates in our tests and will be unsatisfactory for gamers. In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.1 (minimum) to 240 (maximum) ms. » 81 % of all devices are better. This means that the measured response time is worse than the average of all tested devices (20.9 ms). | ||
↔ Response Time 50% Grey to 80% Grey | ||
54 ms ... rise ↗ and fall ↘ combined | ↗ 26.4 ms rise | |
↘ 27.6 ms fall | ||
The screen shows slow response rates in our tests and will be unsatisfactory for gamers. In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.165 (minimum) to 636 (maximum) ms. » 90 % of all devices are better. This means that the measured response time is worse than the average of all tested devices (32.8 ms). |
Even on sunny days, the liquid crystal display offers enough luminosity to read screen contents. However, if reflections occur on the display glass, the readability is visibly reduced. The viewing angle stability is good.
Performance - Wiko smartphone with Helio A25
The MediaTek Helio A25 used in the Wiko View 5 has eight Cortex-A53 processor cores, divided into two clusters. To save power, four cores are operated at up to 1.5 GHz, and the remaining four A53 cores clock at 1.8 GHz. An IMG PowerVR GE8320 is integrated as graphics chip.
The interaction of low-budget SoC and 3 GB RAM makes for a jerky everyday usage. When multitasking or as soon as there are working processes in the background, not only micro jerking occurs but there are also longer phases in which the View 5 cannot be operated. Due to the slow eMMC memory the loading times are also very pronounced.
The results of the benchmarks show a similar picture. Especially in the system benchmark of PCMark for Android as well as in the graphics-intensive benchmarks, the values of the Wiko phone are significantly below the comparison devices.
PCMark for Android | |
Work performance score (sort by value) | |
Wiko View5 | |
Xiaomi Redmi 9 | |
Realme 6i | |
Nokia 2.4 | |
Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (6032 - 7655, n=3) | |
Work 2.0 performance score (sort by value) | |
Wiko View5 | |
Xiaomi Redmi 9 | |
Realme 6i | |
Nokia 2.4 | |
Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (4302 - 5364, n=5) |
GFXBench (DX / GLBenchmark) 2.7 | |
T-Rex Onscreen (sort by value) | |
Wiko View5 | |
Realme 6i | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (26 - 29, n=2) | |
Average of class Smartphone (23 - 166, n=172, last 2 years) | |
1920x1080 T-Rex Offscreen (sort by value) | |
Wiko View5 | |
Realme 6i | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (20 - 21, n=2) | |
Average of class Smartphone (19 - 791, n=172, last 2 years) |
GFXBench 3.0 | |
on screen Manhattan Onscreen OGL (sort by value) | |
Wiko View5 | |
Realme 6i | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (18 - 19, n=2) | |
Average of class Smartphone (6.8 - 166, n=172, last 2 years) | |
1920x1080 1080p Manhattan Offscreen (sort by value) | |
Wiko View5 | |
Realme 6i | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (11 - 11, n=2) | |
Average of class Smartphone (12 - 482, n=172, last 2 years) |
GFXBench 3.1 | |
on screen Manhattan ES 3.1 Onscreen (sort by value) | |
Wiko View5 | |
Realme 6i | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (12 - 13, n=2) | |
Average of class Smartphone (3.7 - 166, n=172, last 2 years) | |
1920x1080 Manhattan ES 3.1 Offscreen (sort by value) | |
Wiko View5 | |
Realme 6i | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (6.7 - 7.1, n=2) | |
Average of class Smartphone (8.3 - 341, n=172, last 2 years) |
AnTuTu v8 - Total Score (sort by value) | |
Wiko View5 | |
Realme 6i | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (93758 - 97328, n=2) |
Jetstream 2 - Total Score | |
Average of class Smartphone (13.8 - 387, n=166, last 2 years) | |
Xiaomi Redmi 9 (Chrome 85) | |
Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 (Chrome 85) | |
Realme 6i (Chrome 81) | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s (Chrome 84) | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (12.4 - 13.7, n=2) | |
Wiko View5 (Chrome 86) |
Speedometer 2.0 - Result | |
Average of class Smartphone (15.2 - 569, n=151, last 2 years) | |
Xiaomi Redmi 9 (Chrome 85) | |
Realme 6i (Chrome 81) | |
Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 (Chrome 85) | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s (Chome 84) | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 () |
WebXPRT 3 - Overall | |
Average of class Smartphone (38 - 347, n=79, last 2 years) | |
Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 (Chrome 85) | |
Xiaomi Redmi 9 | |
Realme 6i (Chrome 81) | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s (Chrome 84) | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (22 - 24, n=2) | |
Wiko View5 (Chrome 86) |
Octane V2 - Total Score | |
Average of class Smartphone (2228 - 100368, n=206, last 2 years) | |
Realme 6i (Chrome 81) | |
Xiaomi Redmi 9 (Chrome 85) | |
Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 (Chrome 85) | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s (Chrome 84) | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (3526 - 4033, n=2) | |
Wiko View5 (Chrome 86) |
Mozilla Kraken 1.1 - Total | |
Wiko View5 (Chrome 86) | |
Average Mediatek Helio A25 (12118 - 14832, n=2) | |
Samsung Galaxy A21s (Chrome 84) | |
Xiaomi Redmi 9 (Chrome 85) | |
Realme 6i (Chrome 81) | |
Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 (Chrome 85) | |
Average of class Smartphone (277 - 28190, n=164, last 2 years) |
* ... smaller is better
Wiko View5 | Xiaomi Redmi 9 | Realme 6i | Nokia 2.4 | Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 | Samsung Galaxy A21s | Average 64 GB eMMC Flash | Average of class Smartphone | |
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AndroBench 3-5 | 40% | 152% | -4% | 144% | 78% | 14% | 851% | |
Sequential Read 256KB | 268.4 | 289.9 8% | 309.5 15% | 245.7 -8% | 306.6 14% | 307 14% | 274 ? 2% | 1859 ? 593% |
Sequential Write 256KB | 223.4 | 119.8 -46% | 256.4 15% | 119.5 -47% | 248.1 11% | 104.3 -53% | 176.2 ? -21% | 1445 ? 547% |
Random Read 4KB | 49.56 | 49.09 -1% | 73.5 48% | 46 -7% | 65.1 31% | 77.2 56% | 59.4 ? 20% | 278 ? 461% |
Random Write 4KB | 16.29 | 60.7 273% | 150.9 826% | 22.5 38% | 146.9 802% | 89.5 449% | 32 ? 96% | 310 ? 1803% |
Sequential Read 256KB SDCard | 82 ? | 84.4 ? 3% | 84.6 ? 3% | 82.6 ? 1% | 84.4 ? 3% | 80 ? -2% | 77.4 ? -6% | |
Sequential Write 256KB SDCard | 62.7 ? | 65 ? 4% | 64.5 ? 3% | 63 ? 0% | 63.5 ? 1% | 66.4 ? 6% | 58.3 ? -7% |
Games - Gaming is not the strength of the View 5
The built-in IMG PowerVR GE8320 is not very powerful, but thanks to the low display resolution of the entry-level phone, it allows mostly smooth playback of older games. Demanding Android games, such as Asphalt 9 Legends or PUBG Mobile, do not run smoothly with the GPU built into the View 5 at the lowest graphics settings.
Both the touchscreen control and the position sensors react quickly and precisely in the test.
Emissions - Cool Wiko View 5
Temperature
The housing of the Wiko smartphone heats up very little, even under permanent load.
(+) The maximum temperature on the upper side is 30.8 °C / 87 F, compared to the average of 35.1 °C / 95 F, ranging from 21.9 to 63.7 °C for the class Smartphone.
(+) The bottom heats up to a maximum of 28.2 °C / 83 F, compared to the average of 33.9 °C / 93 F
(+) In idle usage, the average temperature for the upper side is 27.4 °C / 81 F, compared to the device average of 32.8 °C / 91 F.
Speakers
In everyday use, the mono loudspeaker, which is located on the underside of the housing, produces a maximum volume of almost 93 dB. As expected, the sound image is characterized by sounds from mid and high frequencies, which are reproduced linearly for the price class.
The 3.5 millimeter jack connector allows a more bass rich reproduction, but the noise level is pronounced.
Wiko View5 audio analysis
(+) | speakers can play relatively loud (92.6 dB)
Bass 100 - 315 Hz
(-) | nearly no bass - on average 23.8% lower than median
(+) | bass is linear (3.4% delta to prev. frequency)
Mids 400 - 2000 Hz
(±) | higher mids - on average 7.9% higher than median
(+) | mids are linear (6% delta to prev. frequency)
Highs 2 - 16 kHz
(±) | higher highs - on average 5.5% higher than median
(+) | highs are linear (3.6% delta to prev. frequency)
Overall 100 - 16.000 Hz
(±) | linearity of overall sound is average (19.1% difference to median)
Compared to same class
» 21% of all tested devices in this class were better, 8% similar, 71% worse
» The best had a delta of 12%, average was 37%, worst was 134%
Compared to all devices tested
» 42% of all tested devices were better, 7% similar, 51% worse
» The best had a delta of 4%, average was 25%, worst was 134%
Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 audio analysis
(+) | speakers can play relatively loud (92.4 dB)
Bass 100 - 315 Hz
(-) | nearly no bass - on average 23.8% lower than median
(+) | bass is linear (4.1% delta to prev. frequency)
Mids 400 - 2000 Hz
(±) | reduced mids - on average 5.2% lower than median
(+) | mids are linear (4.6% delta to prev. frequency)
Highs 2 - 16 kHz
(±) | higher highs - on average 5% higher than median
(+) | highs are linear (3.7% delta to prev. frequency)
Overall 100 - 16.000 Hz
(±) | linearity of overall sound is average (17.1% difference to median)
Compared to same class
» 8% of all tested devices in this class were better, 6% similar, 86% worse
» The best had a delta of 12%, average was 37%, worst was 134%
Compared to all devices tested
» 28% of all tested devices were better, 8% similar, 65% worse
» The best had a delta of 4%, average was 25%, worst was 134%
Battery life - Wiko smartphone with 5,000 mAh
Energy consumption
In terms of energy consumption, the View 5 is exemplary. However, the lower power consumption in idle and especially under load is also due to the low-performance hardware.
Off / Standby | 0.01 / 0.14 Watt |
Idle | 0.68 / 1.94 / 1.96 Watt |
Load |
2.62 / 3.81 Watt |
Key:
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med: ,
max: Metrahit Energy |
Wiko View5 5000 mAh | Xiaomi Redmi 9 5020 mAh | Realme 6i 5000 mAh | Nokia 2.4 4500 mAh | Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 5020 mAh | Samsung Galaxy A21s 5000 mAh | Average Mediatek Helio A25 | Average of class Smartphone | |
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Power Consumption | -68% | -3% | -30% | -65% | -9% | -59% | ||
Idle Minimum * | 0.68 | 1.4 -106% | 0.37 46% | 0.74 -9% | 1.5 -121% | 0.89 ? -31% | 0.885 ? -30% | |
Idle Average * | 1.94 | 1.7 12% | 1.62 16% | 2.17 -12% | 2.1 -8% | 1.973 ? -2% | 1.451 ? 25% | |
Idle Maximum * | 1.96 | 2.1 -7% | 1.69 14% | 2.2 -12% | 2.9 -48% | 2.01 ? -3% | 1.608 ? 18% | |
Load Average * | 2.62 | 5.7 -118% | 3.61 -38% | 4.17 -59% | 4.6 -76% | 2.69 ? -3% | 6.55 ? -150% | |
Load Maximum * | 3.81 | 8.5 -123% | 5.9 -55% | 6.11 -60% | 6.6 -73% | 4.01 ? -5% | 9.92 ? -160% |
* ... smaller is better
Battery life
In our WLAN test the Wiko phone shows very good runtimes under practical conditions (display brightness at 150 cd/m²). However, a realme 6i gets more than 3 hours extra out of the 5,000-mAh battery with similar hardware.
Wiko View5 5000 mAh | Xiaomi Redmi 9 5020 mAh | Realme 6i 5000 mAh | Nokia 2.4 4500 mAh | Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 5020 mAh | Samsung Galaxy A21s 5000 mAh | |
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Battery Runtime | ||||||
WiFi v1.3 | 1132 | 804 -29% | 1318 16% | 826 -27% | 867 -23% | 943 -17% |
Pros
Cons
Verdict about Wiko View 5: At a snail's pace to the goal
The latest Wiko offspring is a visually successful, well-manufactured smartphone in the entry-level class. In the lower price segment, the View 5 shines with a good speaker, a high-contrast IPS panel and a surprisingly good main camera.
A somewhat more powerful chipset would have suited the View 5 well.
On the other hand, the performance of the cheap Wiko phone leaves a lot to be desired, and the low resolution of the display is also suboptimal at over 6.5 inches. Especially the low performance level reduces the user experience in everyday life noticeably.
If you can invest a little more money, then the Poco X3 - which is sometimes available for less than 200 Euros (~$237) - is a much better alternative.
Wiko View5
- 10/30/2020 v7 (old)
Marcus Herbrich