Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M
Battle of the Giants. A few weeks after AMD launched their flagship HD 7970M, Nvidia took the spotlight with the reveal of the GTX 680M. The GeForce GPU is said to outperform the Radeon HD 7970M in nearly all aspects: performance, features, and energy efficiency. We compare the two graphics solutions to find out who takes the mobile graphics crown.
Slowly but surely the two most important manufacturers in graphics technology have finally made available their latest GPUs built under a 28 nm lithography for the notebook market. After the launch of the “fastest mobile high-end GPU” Radeon HD 7970M, Nvidia quickly lashed back with the GeForce GTX 680M in an attempt to take back the mobile graphics crown.
Nvidia, however, is by no means modest. The GTX 680M is claimed to be the most efficient, most advanced and fastest notebook GPU and up to 30% faster than the HD 7970M. Of course, claims like these should be taken with a grain of salt; we have seen from past experiences that such marketing information is not entirely true. With much thanks to Schenker Notebooks (mysn.de) for their mobile powerhouses, we can finally compare these powerful graphics cards directly. The question remains: who will come out on top?
Test system
German vendor Schenker has kindly sent us the XMG P702 PRO, a 17-inch gaming notebook based on Clevo's P170EM barebone once again. Similar to its smaller brother, the XMG P502 PRO, The P702 has already been tested in our labs with a GeForce GTX 675M. The unit is still based on Intel's Ivy Bridge HM77 chipset and includes a Core i7-3720QM (2.6-3.6 GHz) with 8 GByte DDR3 RAM (2x 4096 MByte @ 1600 MHz).
We updated Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit to its latest updates (as of June 2012) and installed a 128 GByte solid-state drive from Samsung (SSD 830). Because of the small capacity, we had to install some of the benchmarks on the secondary 1000 GByte HDD (Samsung Spinpoint M8). All benchmarks were run on the integrated FullHD display.
By nature, GPU drivers are a more difficult issue. While the GTX 680M performed slightly faster with the 302.72 beta driver than with Clevo's pre-installed driver, we experienced freezes in several games (especially when changing settings in-game or even during launch). As a result, we ran most benchmarks twice and entered the higher values in the tables. In contrast, the HD 7970M worked fine for the most part with the older Clevo 8.951.6.0 driver.
Test Configuration:
- 17.3“ FullHD non glare display
- Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
- Intel HM77 chipset
- Intel Core i7-3720QM
- 8 GByte DDR3-RAM (1600 MHz)
- Nvidia GeForce GTX 680M (4096 MB GDDR5)
- AMD Radeon HD 7970M (2048 MB GDDR5)
- Samsung SSD 830 Series MZMPC128HBFU (128 GB)
- Samsung Spinpoint M8 HN-M101MBB (1000 GB)
- from 1149 Euro (depends on the configuration)
Technology
GeForce GTX 680M
The specs of the GeForce GTX 680M are a monster. Essentially a notebook model of the desktop GTX 670 (GK104 chip), the 680M houses 1344 CUDA cores, 32 ROPs, 112 TMUs, and a 4096 MByte GDDR5 video RAM connected via a 256-Bit bus. The GeForce GTX 660M (GK107), which is also based on the modern 28 nm Kepler architecture, “only” features 384 Shaders, 8 ROPs, 32 TMUs, and 2048 MByte GDDR5 VRAM with a 128-Bit interface.
Compared to the desktop GTX 670, however, Nvidia have significantly decreased the clock rates of the 680M. Instead of 915 MHz for the chip and 3004 MHz for the memory, the mobile GTX 680M is only clocked at 720 MHz and 1800 MHz, respectively. Subsequently, the bandwidth has fallen from 192.2 GB/s to 115.2 GB/s, the pixel fill rate from 29.3 to 23.0 GPix/s and the texture fill rate from 102.5 GTex/s to 80.6 GTex/s. Fortunately, the bus type (PCI-E 3.0) and DirectX 11.1 API are identical between the two models.
Similar to the GTX 580M (aka. GTX 675M) of which the 680M succeeds, the TDP is rated at 100 Watt. However, it is worth noting that the GTX 680M lacks a unique feature of the new desktop Kepler generation - the automatic core overclocking called GPU Boost.
| Model | GTX 660M (Notebook) | GTX 675M (Notebook) | GTX 680M (Notebook) | GTX 670 (Desktop) | GTX 680 (Desktop) |
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| Codename | N13E-GE | N13E-GS1 | N13E-GTX | ||
| Chip | GK107 | GF114 | GK104 | GK104 | GK104 |
| Architecture | Kepler | Fermi | Kepler | Kepler | Kepler |
| Lithography | 28 nm | 40 nm | 28 nm | 28 nm | 28 nm |
| Die size | ? | 332 mm² | ? | 294 mm² | 294 mm² |
| Transistors | ? | 1.95 billions | ? | 3.54 billions | 3.54 billions |
| Shader units | 384 | 384 | 1344 | 1344 | 1536 |
| ROPs | 16 | 32 | 32 | 32 | 32 |
| TMUs | 32 | 64 | 112 | 112 | 128 |
| Core clock | 835 MHz | 620 MHz | 720 MHz | 915 MHz | 1006 MHz |
| Boost | 950 MHz | - | - | 980 MHz | 1058 MHz |
| Memory clock | 2000 MHz | 1500 MHz | 1800 MHz | 3004 MHz | 3004 MHz |
| Memory bandwidth | 64.0 GB/s | 96.0 GB/s | 115.2 GB/s | 192.2 GB/s | 192.2 GB/s |
| Memory capacity | 2048 MB | 2048 MB | 4096 MB | 2048 MB | 2048 MB |
| Memory interface | 128 Bit | 256 Bit | 256 Bit | 256 Bit | 256 Bit |
| Memory type | GDDR5 | GDDR5 | GDDR5 | GDDR5 | GDDR5 |
| Texture fill rate | 30.4 GTex/s | 39.7 GTex/s | 80.6 GTex/s | 102.5 GTex/s | 128.8 GTex/s |
| Pixel fill rate | 13.4 GPix/s | 19.8 GPix/s | 23.0 GPix/s | 29.3 GPix/s | 32.2 GPix/s |
| DirectX | 11.1 | 11.0 | 11.1 | 11.1 | 11.1 |
| Bus type | PCI-E 3.0 | PCI-E 2.0 | PCI-E 3.0 | PCI-E 3.0 | PCI-E 3.0 |
| TDP | 75 Watt | 100 Watt | 100 Watt | 170 Watt | 195 Watt |
Radeon HD 7970M
Unlike what the name would otherwise suggest, the Radeon HD 7970M in fact does not resemble its namesake HD 7970, but is instead more closely related to the Radeon HD 7870. The 7870 and 7970M each feature 1280 shaders, 32 ROPs, 80 TMUs, and 2.8 billion transistors. The die size of the 28 nm mobile chip is 212 mm² and the interface of the 2048 MByte GDDR5-VRAM is 256-Bit wide with a Memory throughput of 153.6 GB/s.
Unfortunately, AMD has also modified the core clock rate just like what Nvidia have done to the 680M, although not as severely. While the memory clocks at 1200 MHz, the core clock has been decreased from 1000 MHz to 850 MHz. As expected, the GCN-architecture (Graphics Core Next) supports all modern features and DirectX 11.1. Its rated energy consumption of 100 Watt TDP also matches that of the GTX 680M’s.
In comparison to the old HD 6990M, the core performance of the 7970M has been significantly improved. The 40nm DirectX-11.0-GPU features only 1.7 billion transistors, a core clock of 715 MHz and a memory clock of 900 MHz with a bandwidth of 115.2 GB/s.
| Model | HD 6990M (Notebook) | HD 7970M (Notebook) | HD 7870 (Desktop) | HD 7950 (Desktop) | HD 7970 (Desktop) |
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| Codename | Blackcomb XTX | Wimbledon XT | Pitcairn XT | Tahiti Pro | Tahiti XT |
| Architecture | Terascale 2 | GCN | GCN | GCN | GCN |
| Lithography | 40 nm | 28 nm | 28 nm | 28 nm | 28 nm |
| Die size | 255 mm² | 212 mm² | 212 mm² | 365 mm² | 365 mm² |
| Transistors | 1.7 Milliarden | 2.8 Milliarden | 2.8 Milliarden | 4.31 Milliarden | 4.31 Milliarden |
| Shader units | 1120 | 1280 | 1280 | 1792 | 2048 |
| ROPs | 32 | 32 | 32 | 32 | 32 |
| TMUs | 56 | 80 | 80 | 112 | 128 |
| Core clock | 715 MHz | 850 MHz | 1000 MHz | 800 MHz | 925 MHz |
| Memory clock | 900 MHz | 1200 MHz | 1200 MHz | 1250 MHz MHz | 1375 MHz |
| Memory bandwidth | 115.2 GB/s | 153.6 GB/s | 153.6 GB/s | 240.0 GB/s | 264.0 GB/s |
| Memory capacity | 2048 MB | 2048 MB | 2048 MB | 3072 MB | 3072 MB |
| Memory interface | 256 Bit | 256 Bit | 256 Bit | 384 Bit | 384 Bit |
| Memory type | GDDR5 | GDDR5 | GDDR5 | GDDR5 | GDDR5 |
| Texture fill rate | 40.0 GTex/s | ? | 80.0 GTex/s | 89.6 GTex/s | 118.4 GTex/s |
| Pixel fill rate | 22.9 GPix/s | ? | 32.0 GPix/s | 25.6 GPix/s | 29.6 GPix/s |
| DirectX | 11.0 | 11.1 | 11.1 | 11.1 | 11.1 |
| Bus type | PCI-E 2.0 | PCI-E 3.0 | PCI-E 3.0 | PCI-E 3.0 | PCI-E 3.0 |
| TDP | 100 Watt | 100 Watt | 175 Watt | 200 Watt | 210 Watt |
Features
Let's take a look at the accompanying features where Nvidia traditionally has a leading role in:
• Dual-GPU: Since at least 2004, it has been possible to use two dedicated high-end graphics cards in parallel. Based on our experiences, AMD's CrossFire technology cannot come close to Nvidia's SLI solution in terms of performance gain partly due to continuing driver issues.
• Multi-Monitor: Although Nvidia have somewhat caught up in this category, AMD continue to offer the better multi-monitor support. In theory, the HD 7970M can handle up to six instead of four displays. However, there are usually not enough video-out interfaces available in a notebook, if ever. Usually two or three displays are the maximum.*
• 3D: When it comes to 3D, AMD do not stand a chance against its competitor. Nvidia's advanced 3D Vision technology scores higher points due to its simpler configuration, higher reliability and more supported games. In contrast, HD3D depends more on third-party hardware and software for support.*
• GPU switching: Dynamic graphics switching is no longer uncommon in the high-end range. While Nvidia's Optimus technology works more or less flawlessly and features many settings and optical indicators, AMD's version (Enduro) still appears ineffectual. Unfortunately, Enduro is still quite unreliable and not as transparent as its Nvidia counterpart. About 50 percent of the games tested launch incorrectly with the integrated GPU (HD Graphics 4000) instead of the dGPU. Furthermore, Enduro has a negative impact on the performance as can be seen in our review of the Alienware M17x R4.
• Physics: GPU-based physics acceleration is definitely dominated by Nvidia. Thanks to PhysX, enhanced physics effects can be enabled on several titles at the cost of frame rates and other performance features. However, we firmly believe that PhysX technology should have little or no impact on a buyer’s decision.
• Audio controller: Whoever wants to connect a TV or an external sound system via HDMI with 7.1-Surround Sound will be happy with the GTX 680M and the HD 7970M. Nvidia list the supported audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD on its homepage while AMD can confirm AC-3 and AAC support as well.
• Video decoder: An accelerator for HD videos is also available. Among others, the manufacturers mention the following compatible formats: H.264, VC-1, MPEG-1, MPEG-2 (SD/HD), MCV (Blu-ray 3D), MPEG-4 Part 2 (DivX/Xvid), WMV9, and Adobe Flash.
* sometimes restricted or not possible at all in notebooks equipped with Optimus or Enduro.
Performance
Synthetic Benchmarks
Let's start with the synthetic graphics benchmarks. Depending on the test, the race between the 680M and 7970M can be very tight.
In the DirectX 10-based 3DMark Vantage (1280 x 1024), both high-end models achieve a score of almost 21000 points. In comparison, the HD 6990M and the GTX 675M only achieve about half at 13000-14000 points each. The 3DMark 11 benchmark, which (unsurprisingly) tests DirectX 11 capabilities, is much more demanding. The HD 7970M was able to achieve about 5600 points at 1280 x 720 pixels compared to the ~3200 points from the HD 6990M. The GTX 680M GPU score of 6000 points is even slightly better. For reference, the GTX 675M scored ~3300 points in the same test.
In contrast, we ran the popular Unigine Heaven Benchmark at 1280 x 1024 pixels, high details and with the usual tessellation settings. Both GPUs achieve about 74 fps. Our table, however, reveals that the HD 7970M can perform better. The Alienware M17x R4 is 8 % faster (80 fps) without the graphics switching technology from AMD. The difference is especially big in 3DMark 03 - 46000 points with Enduro and 95000 points without Enduro.
The problem is not limited to specific GPU benchmarks as it can also be experienced during games. The performance loss often amounts to double digit frame losses such as in Modern Warfare 3, StarCraft 2 and Fifa 12. It is very annoying to say the least that AMD has unnecessarily reduced performance with the inclusion of Enduro. We would appreciate if Clevo could follow the example of Alienware and implement an optional Non-Enduro model in the P150EM and P170EM.
| 3DMark 11 | |
| 1280x720 Performance GPU | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| 3DMark Vantage | |
| 1280x1024 P GPU no PhysX | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| 3DMark 06 | |
| 1280x1024 Standard AA:0x AF:0x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| 3DMark 05 | |
| 1024x768 Standard AA:0x AF:0x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| 3DMark 03 | |
| 1024x768 Standard AA:0x AF:0x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| Unigine Heaven 2.1 | |
| 1280x1024 high, Tesselation (normal), DirectX11 AA:off AF:1x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| Legend | |
HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) Intel Core i7-3720QM, AMD Radeon HD 7970M, Samsung MZMPC128HBFU HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) Intel Core i7-3610QM, AMD Radeon HD 7970M, Samsung SSD PM830 64 GByte mSATA GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) Intel Core i7-2670QM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675M, Samsung SSD 830 Series MZ-7PC0128D/EU HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) Intel Core i7-2760QM, AMD Radeon HD 6990M, Crucial RealSSD M4 CT128M4SSD2 | |
CAD Benchmarks
If CAD performance is of utmost importance, then the Radeon HD 7970M takes the cake. The AMD model is almost 200 percent faster than the GTX 680M in SPECviewperf 11. While the Nvidia GPU can still keep up with the AMD model in Catia and Maya, it is considerably outperformed by the Radeon GPU in Tcvis and Siemens NX (-90 %). Meanwhile, the HD 7970M is between 60 to 160 percent faster in Ensight, Lightwave, Pro/Engineer and SolidWorks. It’s no secret that Nvidia is focusing less on non-gaming computational power with the Kepler series compared to the previous Fermi design, and our CAD results below really exemplify the outcome.
Gaming Benchmarks
The two newcomers are, of course, excellent in games. Apart from exceptions like Metro 2033, all modern games can be enjoyed in maximum settings. Games like Battlefield 3 can be enjoyed at >30 FPS with a 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution and ultra settings active. Even Crysis 2 is well playable at ultra details, high-res textures and with the DirectX 11 patch.
Summarizing all gaming benchmarks, the old generation (HD 6990M & GTX 580M/675M) is roughly 30 percent slower on average. Without Enduro, the HD 7970M is marginally faster than the GTX 680M. With Enduro, the AMD model is slightly outperformed.
However, several results suggest that the GTX 680M could do better as well. We were somewhat surprised that several Nvidia-favored games actually ran more smoothly on the HD 7970M. This might be the fault of the driver version. Nonetheless, we will update as necessary and possibly do a follow-up test with an MSI barebones notebook soon.
| Max Payne 3 | |
| 1920x1080 Very High, DX11 AA:Very High FX AF:8x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P501) |
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| Dirt Showdown | |
| 1920x1080 Ultra Preset AA:4xMS | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P501) |
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| Risen 2: Dark Waters | |
| 1920x1080 Ultra / on AA:on AF:8x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P501) |
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| CoD: Modern Warfare 3 | |
| 1920x1080 Extra, all on, Image Quality: Native AA:4x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P501) |
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| Alan Wake | |
| 1920x1080 High Preset AA:4x AF:8x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P501) |
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| Batman: Arkham City | |
| 1920x1080 Extreme Preset DX11 AA:4x MS | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim | |
| 1920x1080 Ultra Preset AA:8x AF:16x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P501) |
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| Anno 2070 | |
| 1920x1080 Very High Preset AA:on AF:4x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P501) |
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| Battlefield 3 | |
| 1920x1080 ultra AA:4x MS AF:16x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P501) |
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| F1 2011 | |
| 1920x1080 Ultra Preset DX11 AA:4xMS | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| Fifa 12 | |
| 1920x1080 high AA:4x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| Deus Ex Human Revolution | |
| 1920x1080 DX11, Soft Shadows, SSAO High, DOF: High, Post Processing, Tessellation AA:ML AF:16x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| Crysis 2 | |
| 1920x1080 Extreme | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| 1920x1080 Ultra DX11 High Res Textures | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| StarCraft 2 | |
| 1920x1080 ultra | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| Metro 2033 | |
| 1920x1080 Very High DX11 AA:A AF:4x | |
| GTX 680M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) |
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| GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) |
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| HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) |
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| Legend | |
HD 7970M (Schenker XMG P702) Intel Core i7-3720QM, AMD Radeon HD 7970M, Samsung MZMPC128HBFU HD 7970M (Alienware M17x R4) Intel Core i7-3610QM, AMD Radeon HD 7970M, Samsung SSD PM830 64 GByte mSATA GTX 675M (Schenker XMG P702) Intel Core i7-2670QM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675M, Samsung SSD 830 Series MZ-7PC0128D/EU HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P501) Intel Core i7-2630QM, AMD Radeon HD 6990M, Seagate Momentus XT ST750LX003-1AC154 HD 6990M (Schenker XMG P701) Intel Core i7-2760QM, AMD Radeon HD 6990M, Crucial RealSSD M4 CT128M4SSD2 | |
Emissions
System Noise
While idle there is hardly any difference between the two GPUs in terms of system noise. The noise of the XMG P702 PRO ranges from slightly audible 33 dB(A) to a more audible 35 dB(A). However, the two models are quite different under load. The HD 7970M with 47 dB(A) is slightly louder than the GTX 680M in Battlefield 3. Regardless, both GPUs reach an uncomfortable noise level. Recorded measurements were taken after 60 minutes of gaming.
The AMD GPU is also slightly louder during 3DMark 06 at 46 dB(A) versus 45 dB(A) of the 680M on average. The noise increases to 53 dB (GTX 680M) and 54 dB (HD 7970M) under full loud – a deafening noise.
GTX 680M
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HD 7970M
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Temperature
Nvidia takes a clearer win in terms of temperature. While the HD 7970M reaches about 83 °C in Battlefield 3 and a maximum of 95°C in the stress test (Furmark + Prime), the 680M runs cooler at 70 °C and 85 °C, respectively.
Furthermore, the AMD GPU generally appears to drive the notebook to its limits. When under full load, the CPU often operates at its base clock rate (2.6 GHz @ Core i7-3720QM) while the CPU in the Nvidia notebook model can always use its Turbo Boost (3 GHz or more). Even worse: According to HWiNFO (GPU-Z 0.6.2 does not record correctly), the core of the HD 7970M sometimes throttles from 850 to 580 MHz. However, we did not experience any throttling during games.
Since the fans work slightly more intensively with the 7970M equipped, the surfaces of the notebook stay cooler with the Radeon GPU. Instead of 34 and 29 °C (full load / idle), the GTX 680M reaches higher averages of 35 and 31 °C.
GTX 680M
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Energy Efficiency
Power consumption
Those who have read up on the new GPU generations these past few weeks already know that Kepler is more energy efficient than the competing GCN architecture. The same is true for the mobile range.
In our tests, the energy consumptions are 99-109 Watt (GTX 680M) vs. 106-131 Watt (HD 7970M) in 3DMark 06. The Nvidia model also works more economically in Battlefield 3 (126 vs. 143 Watt). Meanwhile, the maximum power draw amounts to 183 versus 200 Watt. While the notebook is idle with the dedicated graphics card inactive, the power consumption of both models become more identical at the 16-27 Watt range.
As our reviews indicate, the GTX 675M (P702 PRO) and HD 6990M (P701 PRO) have significantly worse performance-to-Watt ratio.
Please note that the mentioned results refer to the whole system and not the individual GPUs.
GTX 680M
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HD 7970M
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Battery Life
As the screenshots on the right depict, the energy saving mechanisms are quite different on battery. Despite heavy load, the GTX 680M clocks down to 135 MHz (core) and 324 MHz (memory) during the BatteryEater Classic test. The HD 7970M idles higher at 450 and 1200 MHz, respectively, which will reduce battery life accordingly. From our tests, the Nvidia-equipped notebook achieves 100 minutes compared to the paltry 56 minutes of the AMD model. Just the opposite is true when connected to an outlet: The clock rate of the GTX 680M is surprisingly high at low loads compared to the AMD card. We suspect that this could be a bug and may be patched at a later date.
GTX 680M
| Load (maximum brightness) | 1h 40min | |
HD 7970M
| Load (maximum brightness) | 0h 56min | |
Price
Nvidia are asking for much more money for the GTX 680M than are AMD for the HD 7970M. An almost 300 Euro ($380 USD) surcharge (see configurator) can be pretty pretty steep and seems excessive given that the Radeon GPU can perform equally as fast in most games, if not faster. The price differences for the HD 6970M / HD 6990M compared to the GTX 485M / GTX 580M were similarly large in the past.
In an attempt to avoid losing potential buyers, we believe that Nvidia should decrease the price by about 200 Euro (~$250 USD). From a price-performance perspective, the HD 7970M is significantly more appealing, at least for now.
Verdict
It’s a fact that Nvidia have produced the overall better GPU with the GeForce GTX 680M. Its waste heat and energy consumption are both lower compared to the Radeon HD 7970M, leading to quieter system noise and longer battery life.
The manufacturer with the green logo continues to take the lead in supported features. In particular, PhysX and 3D Vision currently do not have any serious competition. Furthermore, AMD’s graphics switching technology is almost abysmal. Poor detection rate, few configuration options, and noticeable performance losses are just a few of the annoying problems. Nvidia’s Optimus definitely deserves praise for its much friendlier interface and better functionality.
On the bright side, the Radeon HD 7970M is not too far behind the 680M in gaming performance. In fact, both are about on par in games and the GTX 680M is even significantly slower in professional applications. However, the biggest advantage of the HD 7970M is its more reasonable price. Hardly any other high-end notebook GPU model can achieve better FPS-per-dollar ratio than this Tahiti core.
If AMD can improve upon the still-young Enduro technology, then we would recommend the 7970M without hesitation. But for now, the 680M offers the most balanced, reliable, and most versatile performance of the two.
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| #44 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Roger Hodgson, 17:05 15.03 |
Crysis? What crysis?... | |
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| #43 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Chuck, 19:12 11.03 |
Hi! What should I buy? Thanks! :)P.S. I can afford the 680M, but want to know what do you think! It is for Crysis 3.... | |
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| #42 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | MAIKILL, 17:55 29.12 |
i was 4 months ready stuff to chose the bets laptop/gpu with the best price/performance and i go for the clevo p370em with the 7970m that dont have enduro problems because it dont have intel gpu to swith, and im realy happy with it :D, i remember in the beginning most of people talking badly about the 7970m because of the enduro problem, but give 2 times more money (680m) for what? just dont have drivers problem, YOU WANT A GAMING LAPTOP AND I READ GUYS SAYING OHHH THE 680M HAVE MORE BATTERY LIFE AND LESS HEAT AND LESS CONSUMES OF ELECT AND YOU PAY THE DOUBLE FOR HAVE JUST THAT? THE BENCHMARKS IN GAMES IN THIS REVIEW SHOWS THAT THE AMD IS BETTER THAN 680M OVER!!!! AND HE HAVE THE ENDURO PROBLEMS LOOOOOOOOL, HONESTLY I THINK IS SO STUPID THE WASTE OF MONEY IN THE 680M... SO EACH ONE HAVE A BRAIN TO THINK SO MAKE YOUR CHOICE ;) ... | |
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| #41 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Fran, 12:25 11.12 |
Can anyone recommend a good software monitor for a GTX 680M? HWMonitor shows me everything except the GPU temp. Thanks!... | |
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| #40 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Kyle, 13:20 11.11 |
Please note that i'm not an expert at graphics cards so i don't really know that much. :)How come that in some of the videos I've seen regarding the GeForce GTX 680M and Radeon HD 7970M on the Alienware Mx18 the 680M seems to be performing at the same level as a Dual 2GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 7970M For example on Battlefield 3 Multiplayer. This leads me to the question can a single GTX 680M perform at comparable levels w/ a Dual 2GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 7970M . I'm planning on buying a Alienware since you can disable Enduro and i'm having a hard time choosing between the SINGLE 2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 680M - SLI® and Dual 2GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 7970M.... | |
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| #39 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | zachary, 13:10 11.11 |
Please note that i'm not an expert at graphics cards so i don't really know that much. :)How come that in some of the videos I've seen regarding the GeForce GTX 680M and Radeon HD 7970M on the Alienware Mx18 the 680M seems to be performing at the same level as a Dual 2GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 7970M For example on Battlefield 3 Multiplayer. This leads me to the question can a single GTX 680M perform at comparable levels w/ a Dual 2GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 7970M . I'm planning on buying a Alienware since you can disable Enduro and i'm having a hard time choosing between the SINGLE 2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 680M - SLI® and Dual 2GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 7970M.... | |
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| #38 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Florian Glaser, 19:45 05.11 |
Maybe we can do a little review around christmas, when AMD improved the DX-9-performance too (the improvements mainly concern DX-10- and DX-11-games at the moment). The Alienware-results in our database are from the non-endruo-mode. I think this is mentioned in the review.... | |
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| #37 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Ray van der Heij, 19:37 05.11 |
@Florian:I too would love to see the results 12.11 would yield and I'll gladly wait for them.With the current results I have just a single question. Are Alienware results with Enduro enabled or with Enduro forced off? When Enduro is enabled in these benches then wouldn't the results be higher for Alienware with Enduro forced off? (something AW can do, but the Clevo's can't).... | |
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| #36 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Florian Glaser, 23:06 01.11 |
Maybe with the final catalyst 12.11 (the beta-driver still has some issues). Unfortunately, i have no time for a big comparison at the moment.... | |
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| #35 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | kmwaziri, 17:16 01.11 |
@Florian: Can you please update this review with the latest drivers now?? Now that both the cards have matured (along with their drivers) we'll know the REAL king of mobile GPUs in terms of gaming. Power efficiency ofcourse will be the same, that I know. @Andrew: Dont know if you've bought your laptop yet or not, but to answer you, YES driver updates "can" fix Enduro but even when it is fixed, it wont be nowhere near as good as Optimus. I'm in favor of AMD too but fact remains, Enduro will take its time to match optimus, maybe in the next AMD flagship.... | |
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| #34 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Manzanita, 19:29 12.10 |
Ich glaube...it depends on the kind of game you're going to play, and don't forget the processor and ram. Well.... keine Ahnung.... | |
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| #33 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Shawn, 03:59 08.10 |
Why doesn't anybody include hardware assisted video encoding/decoding into performance tests?Do people not upload you tube videos? Or record and save off best gaming sessions?Why is hardware assisted video encoding/decoding never brought up? In performance tests and discussions?Is it a NSA issue? Am I going to get a knock on my door with NDAA letter and be disappeared?... | |
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| #32 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Robert, 03:45 19.09 |
In only one thing nVidia is better than AMD and it is marketing.. at the beginning they said 680m is something like 30% higher than 7970m and everybody was like WOW nerds... Then they said no no its only 14%, and now if you see 15 games the 10 are won by 7970m at ultra settings..Then nVidia or nVidia fanboys will start to talk about extra futures in 680m like 120Hz, 3D, Physics which I bet no one uses those futures because are useless..In the other hand AMD graphics cards as it known are better for video/photo editing and design but no one admit those are the futures which can be more useful than 120 Hz, 3D and Physics...Isn't that marketing? or its only the fanboys?... | |
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| #31 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | M1k3, 01:24 13.09 |
300-500 dollars extra for the slight increase in performance for the 680M isnot worth it, so being on a limited budget when thinking logically betweensuch minor gains does make sense, since it could seem like a waste toupgrade unless you want the 3D vision, that could justify the 300+ increaseon a somewhat limited budget... "it's got to truly be worth it" IMO I willwait until the 2013 GPU cards are released and save my money for a possiblecompatibility, knowing ill get a truly noticeable increase justifying mysomewhat limited buying was worth the money and not just a comparableimpulse buy novelty. Make sense now?... | |
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| #30 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Ragnarøk, 15:08 06.09 |
Limited income and Alienware? Sorry, but that does not really fit together, does it.If there were working drivers for the 7970m, this card would be the best value/performance one.... | |
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| #29 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | HolyPeanuts, 15:06 06.09 |
I own an Alienware M17xR4 with the 7970m in it. I run Max Payne3, BattleField 3, Diablo3, starcraft 2, all absolutely maxed out except for MP3 which doesnt have MSAA at 16x, all games run flawlesly. I[u] turned off switchable graphics right out of the box [/u] to avoid any Enduro issues. If you are looking for a portable rig that will dominate all games on the market right now. Alienware with 7970m is the way to go. Cant comment on the 680m but IMO, from reading the benchmarks and user comments, if you have money to burn, go for it, otherwise, if you are like me and have somewhat limited income, the 7970m has [b]ridiculous value and performance[/b]. I am very pleased with AMDs 7970m card and I used to own only Nvidia cards.... | |
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| #28 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Neoczar, 14:59 05.09 |
Do not. I repeat: Do [i]NOT[/i] buy the 7970M on a p170em platform. If your rig is an Alienware (has a mux design that can disable Enduro), or an upgraded Clevo HM series then go for it, otherwise you're doomed. I'm one of hundreds who bought the p150em/p170em with the 7970M and the card underutilizes terribly because Enduro/drivers are messed up. We have done all the logging and reporting possible, and we're left out to dry by AMD and Clevo. It's been 4 months now since release and I can't even play WoW without dipping to 20-25 fps. It's shameful.Here are a few threads, we even created a facebook group:-forum.notebookreview(dot)com/sager-clevo/681666-7970m-survey.htmlforum.notebookreview(dot)com/sager-clevo/682097-7970m-logging-thread-games-utilization-issues-only-post-logs-no-questions-please.htmlforum.notebookreview(dot)com/sager-clevo/681999-make-7970m-enduro-public-get-backing-prominent-blogger.htmlforum.notebookreview(dot)com/sager-clevo/686393-7970m-owners-poll-future.htmlThere are threads on rage3d and AMD's forums as well, although the one on the AMD forum got deleted by admin.Please spread the word. We bought a flagship card that in-real-life scenarios performs like a mid-range card from 2 generations ago on the newest Clevo platform.... | |
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| #27 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Andreas H., 00:13 30.08 |
[color=green][b]keep cool guys ... make sure to debate this issue politelyi'll follow this thread[/b][/color]... | |
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| #26 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Pikachu, 19:05 24.08 |
[move]I don't care who you are, where you're from or what you did as long as I can play Crysis and Max Payne 3 simultaneously [/move]Now really, I agree with Sparky's "no need to spend more money for things I don't need". If you [u]need[/u] all the advantages of the 680M, buy that card because you're money would be well spend, but if you think that you don't need better battery life, etc., buy the AMD one and save money.... | |
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| #25 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Advisor, 09:54 24.08 |
I'm considering the 7970m based on this review since it has an advantage in the professional software department. However I'm concerned with the enduro issues. I hope AMD will rise to the occasion and fix the issues they seems to be having. We need AMD to be strong. It is better for us the consumers in the long run. Monopoly is not a good solution for us no matter who we are fans off.... | |
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| #24 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | xls23, 17:53 23.08 |
What you guys are saying?Intel is way better than AMD, experience it yourself.Just get the i7-2600K or i5-2500K, they are faster than all AMD CPUs for gaming.And for Nvidia, it's true that GTX 680M isn't any better than HD 7970M, GTX 580M wasn't any better than HD 6990M.You should get the cheaper one or just AMD one.AMD is doing well in mobile GPUs.But Desktop GTX 680 is way better than HD 7970 and anyone calling HD 7970 as a better card is a AMD fanboy without a doubt.... | |
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| #23 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | 94 Echo, 10:47 11.08 |
The the only fanboy is you. I've seen just as many driver issues with Nvidia. Infact the 680m has plenty of driver issues right now. So does the CrossFire setup I have. But honestly it depends on the game. I'm not fanboying. It iss stupid to pay more for Nvidia and Intel. I've seen the same performance out of all AMD rigs aas I have with Intel and Nvidia rigs. It comes down to how much money you are willing to spend and what your perferences are. How is AMD falling behind the curve? I fail to see that. They produced a highly successful and powerful GPU. They created the APU series that I've heard nothing but praise about (my uncle showed me how great it worked running BF3 on an HP Dv6) and they have created the first hex-core desktop processor. I think its actually intel and nvidia who are starting to feel the heat. You obviously aren't paying attention because you are too busy fanboying. I use products from both ends. I love Nvidias Tegra core and I have several Tegra devices. I use Intel inn my laptop and. One desktop. But they are in no way supiror to AMD. I'm sorry but benchmarks mean [color=green][b]***[/b][/color] compared to actual gaming and processing situations. I've never had a problem with AMD on anything, be it drivers or abiility. [color=green][b]***[/b][/color]. Honesyl its all matters of perference. And if AMD is so bad? Why are more 7970ms being purchased then 680ms? At least as far I've seen? Because the numbers speak for themselves. no one but a fool or a fanboy is going to spend double the amount of money for a product that isn't up to par with its price. And as for getting a job? I have a job. As started I'm US ARMY. [color=green][b]***[/b][/color]. And even the majority of people who have jobs probably couldn't aford to spend double on a product that dosent perform better. Its called common sense. [color=green][b]***[/b][/color]. You probably just read some shit somewhere saying AMD has bad driver support. Nvidia and AMD have had bad driver support. Think before you post kids. ... | |
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| #22 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Ragnarøk, 15:08 09.08 |
[quote author=DK link=topic=36175.msg187626#msg187626 date=1344517557]You have so many of your 'facts' wrong, that it hurts just to read your post! Don't be so bitter. Just because AMD is falling behind to curve and having to slash all of their hardware prices just to compete with a superior company doesn't mean you have to be all mad about it. Complaining about prices and 'bang for the buck' are old arguments. If someone wants a cheap product with absolutely horrible driver support, inferior Crossfire performance, increased power consumption, and higher heat output they will buy a computer with AMD inside. If someone wants fair priced superior performing system that has top-notch performance, excellent driver support, superior SLI performance, they will buy a computer with Intel and NVidia inside. Stop being a fanboy, and stop complaining about things costing too much. It is what it is. I work hard for my money and truly enjoy paying more for superior products. Don't get mad - GET A JOB![/quote]*signed*... | |
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| #21 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | DK, 15:05 09.08 |
[quote author=94 Echo link=topic=36175.msg187519#msg187519 date=1344488259]Good luck with your wasted money with no real performance increase XD [/quote]You have so many of your 'facts' wrong, that it hurts just to read your post! Don't be so bitter. Just because AMD is falling behind to curve and having to slash all of their hardware prices just to compete with a superior company doesn't mean you have to be all mad about it. Complaining about prices and 'bang for the buck' are old arguments. If someone wants a cheap product with absolutely horrible driver support, inferior Crossfire performance, increased power consumption, and higher heat output they will buy a computer with AMD inside. If someone wants fair priced superior performing system that has top-notch performance, excellent driver support, superior SLI performance, they will buy a computer with Intel and NVidia inside. Stop being a fanboy, and stop complaining about things costing too much. It is what it is. I work hard for my money and truly enjoy paying more for superior products. Don't get mad - GET A JOB!... | |
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| #20 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | 94 Echo, 06:57 09.08 |
Honestly if you think buying the 680m is better then the AMD you clearly didnt read the review. Power save switching is really a new thing for notebooks and honestly if you are buying a mobile gaming "laptop" you shouldn't expect to get decent battery life. Theres a reason gaming laptops are referred to as "Desktop Replacements". If you want to piss away $1100 dollars for an SLI setup that cant outperform a $550 dollar CrossFire setup then youre just stupid. And whats all this Intel is better then AMD bullshit? Why? Because benchmarks say so? Pffft. Guess how much benchmarks mean to the average consumer: 0 Most people probably have no idea what a benchmark even is. Im sorry but paying over $1000 bucks for an Intel core when you can buy a hex-core AMD that can be overclocked to 5+ ghz stable that costs around $300 is absolutely retarded. If you talk to most real PC builders they will tell you flat out that most people that arent enthusists will never notice a difference in performance between the top end Nvidia vs AMD or the top Intel vs AMD. In this economy the cheapest product with the best performance is always going to be then top product. Who cares if Nvidia is 30 watts more efficient or if it lasts roughly 45 minutes longer on Max brightness. Who the hell runs max brigthness on battery? Most gaming notebooks are plugged in all the time. Honestly most of you who commented are plain moronic. And Alienware is for rich people? Im not rich. Im only in the Army and I bought an Alienware M18xR2 with 7970ms CrossFired? so rich? no not really. Im just a money waster and PC enthusiest. Stop going around fanboying saying Intel and Nvidia are better then AMD. 3D is a stupid gimmick that 90% of people dont give a fuck about, power save is pointless on an i7 desktop replacement notebook, GPU switching can be disabled if you actually know how to use a computer XD and AMD scored just as well if not better on all the games they tested.Plus AMD can do CAD. Pretty sad that a $550 dollar card cant do CAD. Ill take my game shattering 7970m CrossFire setup for 550 bucks over a single 680m for 550 bucks any day and if you do otherwise your a [color=green][b]***[/b][/color]. As for desktop GPUs? Why pay soooo much money for cards that will run practically all the games no faster then 2 cards whose combined price is cheaper in SLI or CrossFire? Exactally. No point. AMD is awesome and I applaud their continued improvement. Id slough it out with the under dogs then live at the top with the douche bags any day. [color=green][b]***[/b][/color]. Youre the same people who will probably vote for Obama over Romney and claim you hate the so called "rich". Good luck with your wasted money with no real performance increase XD ... | |
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| #19 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Sparky, 06:41 08.08 |
It seems fairly obvious that AMD's Enduro was the main reason why it's FPS scores were lower overall than the 680m competitor. I would hope that since this is the case, that AMD can and will show if possible, a way to disable it, or greatly improve it to help it keep up with Nvidia at some point this year.With AMD, though, I doubt that they will do this, so as to not concede defeat and fault with it's new switching/power saving feature.For the record, I now own the 7970m in my Clevo laptop, and I have had no problems with it thus far, and I am getting good game play and FPS marks in the games that I am playing. I have owned Nvidia GPU's in the past, and they were fine, until my Nvidia overheated and died on me last year. The Bottomline for PC gaming as I see it is this- both GPU's are fine for games- with Nvidia being only slightly better in some games, so for me, this is a wash either way, and I save $300 dollars in paying less for what I have. ;DYes, the 680M is a little more powerful/faster than the 7970M, and has more features that are nice for some people, but those things are not important to me (3D movies, video editing), so I feel no need to spend more money for things I don't need. ... | |
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| #18 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Garin, 01:59 20.07 |
That's a cute story, but you're just pointing out the obvious. Everybody knows there are people who do that. As for the "normal" human beings who "spend too much money", they buy extreme high end hardware (i7 3930k, 3-way 680 SLI, dual 256gb ssds in RAID 0) for benchmarks and doing 3d animation, photo editing video editing, virtual machines, FEM simulation and folding, not just "game" all day.You act as if Intel/Nvidia costs a fortune. You can build a budget high end rig that costs $1200 that outperforms a $1600 notebook. A regular high end rig that costs $1900 that outperforms a $2500. As for an extreme high end rig that costs $3500, well let me just say that you're on top of the world. I just love how "notebook enthusiasts" spend thousands on the fastest hardware, but when Nvidia is mentioned, suddenly, all the drama and negativity comes out of nowhere because, really, the 680m outclasses the 7970m in every way. Radeon fanboys just think Cheaper = Better because the mobile flagship cards are almost on par. I bet they don't even know the desktop cards are not on par. I just love how Radeon fanboys say the 680m is "obsolete" because it wasn't released on the same day as the 7970m. Radeon always rushes their released in order to gain market share.... | |
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| #17 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Xcurior, 15:19 19.07 |
Here's a story for you Garbin. I have several acquaintances on welfare, who sit on their ass all day and don't work. They are what you would call, retarded, for real... One of them smokes pot all day, and he owns a lappy with this nvidia gpu. They spend a HUGE portion of their cheques on computer parts and accessories, or save up for killer gaming laptops, as it seems all the do is game. The girls simply own the top phones on the market and have plans that even a mid-class working man couldn't afford. NONE of these guy can (key word: "afford") any of the crap they have... they just want, and want, and want, like a gambler or addicted smoker. Being able to buy something doesn't mean you can actually afford it though. I guess they all think that spending more money for the better system makes them look cooler. "Hey look, I'm on welfare but I have a computer than even your parents who make a 6 figure income can't afford!". Well, I believe I've said it all... So yes, I want the best chip on the market, this coolio-amazing nvidia gpu, sooo badly in fact. I know it's the best... But as retarded as I am, I don't think I'm at the point where I would buy this. Give me 30 more years when I'm riding my dream car and hopefully near retirement :)... | |
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| #16 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Garin, 01:36 17.07 |
Spunjji, do you actually think there's a pifflingly marginal difference in performance between an Intel and amd processor? Please say no so I don't laugh you.Ok listen, we're all fanboys here, and if you say you're not, even though you decided to interfere, you're contradicting yourself. Nvidia is superior. The 680m is faster, and power efficient. Trust me, if it was the other way around you'd be saying "HURF HURF RADEAN CURD IS FASTER, POWA EFFICHENT AND CHEEPER THAN NVIDIA LOLZ XDDD!!!!!". Am I right? Of course I'm right. Nvidia is superior and that's a fact, but I'm not gonna make you buy from Nvidia because of that. It's your money, you can do whatever you want with it. Just don't think spending less money makes you better than others. On a side note, mobile flagship video cards are almost on par, but for the desktop cards, the difference is incredible. I just love how the GTX 680 annihilates the 7970 like it's nothing. Even the GTX 670 annihilates the 7970 in a couple games.Also, "we are rich for a reason" was completely unnecessary. People who buy from Nvidia are not rich, we just know what's "the best". Obviously, you're too [color=green][b]***[/b][/color] to realize that. Alienware users are the real rich people, not us.... | |
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| #15 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Spunjji, 13:22 13.07 |
[quote author=Garin link=topic=36175.msg184409#msg184409 date=1341858243][quote author=jeffreybaks link=topic=36175.msg183687#msg183687 date=1341377526]380$ surcharge is astronomical and ludicrous for the 680m. As they say a fool and his money are soon parted and this is no exception from my thinking, especially in current times. Software will get better for the AMD brand, but your money never comes back once youve payed triple the price.[/quote]Nvidia is superior in every way. What's next, you're gonna want Intel to lower their prices? There's a reason why the superior manufacturer makes their product cost more than its rival's, it's because it's better. [/quote]Your "argument" (and that of the [color=green][b]***[/b][/color] before you with his repulsive "we are rich for a reason" [color=green][b]***[/b][/color]) is [color=green][b]***[/b][/color]. There is nothing like the Intel/AMD performance delta here. Whether or not the card is affordable isn't the point, that is an unreasonable price increase for a pifflingly marginal difference in performance and utility. If you think otheriwse you are a very strange person indeed, be it because you are a fanboy or simply fiscally irresponsible. Sure, if you have the cash, feel free to[color=green][b]***[/b][/color]. I won't stop you. Just don't think your conspicuous consumption makes you better than others.... | |
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| #14 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Garin, 20:24 09.07 |
[quote author=jeffreybaks link=topic=36175.msg183687#msg183687 date=1341377526]380$ surcharge is astronomical and ludicrous for the 680m. As they say a fool and his money are soon parted and this is no exception from my thinking, especially in current times. Software will get better for the AMD brand, but your money never comes back once youve payed triple the price.[/quote]Nvidia is superior in every way. What's next, you're gonna want Intel to lower their prices? There's a reason why the superior manufacturer makes their product cost more than its rival's, it's because it's better. [b][color=green]***[/color][/b]... | |
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| #13 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | John, 03:34 06.07 |
[quote author=jeffreybaks link=topic=36175.msg183687#msg183687 date=1341377526]380$ surcharge is astronomical and ludicrous for the 680m. As they say a fool and his money are soon parted and this is no exception from my thinking, especially in current times. Software will get better for the AMD brand, but your money never comes back once youve payed triple the price.[/quote]You suffer from poor boy syndrome...$380 is not a lot of money at all, if it is to you then I suggest getting a better job. The fact is the 680 gtx is a better overall card, more memory that you will need in the future, optimus, and superior 3D over the AMD card. So just because you cant handle it, doesnt mean people are fools out there, we are rich for a reason.... | |
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| #12 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Christian A., 18:56 05.07 |
[quote author=NVidia's Worker link=topic=36175.msg183813#msg183813 date=1341423942]Hint: Both card are good enough and future proof. You can play Battlefield 3 and Crysis at the same max settings. In fact, if you and your friends synchronize both games and a similar map, you can play both with the same mouse. P.S: I ain't a NVidia's representative, I just work in NVidia in finance department.P.S.2: Fortune, fame, mirror, vain, gone insane! But the memory remains! Just be happy with your card![/quote]Isn't that a Metallica's song? Well, I don't about playing TWO games simultaneously, but the 7970m is good enough for me. I'd like to try the GTX 680m and know if the $200 price difference is worth it. I hope it is!... | |
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| #11 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Francisco, 20:31 04.07 |
You can always change the low load gpu/memory clock on the 7970 to something lower to get more battery life, on the other hand the nvidia gpu seems to have more space for overclocking if you ever do need it. If you do buy mobile gaming amd gpus one thing i recommend is pay a few extra bucks to get one with thermal compound, the difference is usually very high and you will avoid overusing the fans which leads to less buildup of dust and, consequently, maintenance. My current laptop has a 5870m which i had to personally do this because the stock paste is horrible, and I think i'll go with the 7970m, although if there wasn't an inexcusable $200 price difference I would consider the 680m simply for nvidia's awesome driver support, like stated here before. ... | |
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| #10 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | NVidia's Worker, 19:45 04.07 |
Hint: Both card are good enough and future proof. You can play Battlefield 3 and Crysis at the same max settings. In fact, if you and your friends synchronize both games and a similar map, you can play both with the same mouse. P.S: I ain't a NVidia's representative, I just work in NVidia in finance department.P.S.2: Fortune, fame, mirror, vain, gone insane! But the memory remains! Just be happy with your card!... | |
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| #9 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | William, 10:55 04.07 |
Driver is always a problem with AMD's card. But I love AMD GPU ^^... | |
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| #8 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | jeffreybaks, 06:52 04.07 |
380$ surcharge is astronomical and ludicrous for the 680m. As they say a fool and his money are soon parted and this is no exception from my thinking, especially in current times. Software will get better for the AMD brand, but your money never comes back once youve payed triple the price.... | |
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| #7 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | outsider, 00:35 04.07 |
The 7970M has no official drivers yet, so not much can be judged.... | |
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| #6 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Florian Glaser, 10:40 03.07 |
@ WOAOW: The official drivers didn´t work at the time of the review.... | |
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| #5 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Benjamin Huang, 03:43 03.07 |
WHAT??!!7970M on par with 675M?? Sir, please study more on this issue before making such statement!! 7970M is much more powerful than 675M sin the 675M is only 580M!!... | |
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| #4 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | WOAOW, 02:02 03.07 |
HD 7970m IS NOT ON par with GTX 675m, it outright flattens it, with the new 12.6 driver HD 7970m's performance will go up and so will GTX 680m with newer Nvidia driver. Doesn't help the fact that the reviewers never bothered to use new drivers for both GFX cards; this is a cause for concern about the accuracy and reliability of this review.... | |
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| #3 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Ksyruz, 22:25 02.07 |
In terms of pricing the GTX680M is OK. Due to the fact if you look at past mobile GPU releases, the HD 7970M is on par with the GTX675M, ie GTX570M/HD 6970M. When AMD releases their HD 7990M the pricing would be the similar to that of the GTX680.... | |
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| #2 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Louis, 21:47 02.07 |
oki've noticed that 680m has a max memory of 4gb.so if a laptop have 2 slots of gpus,can it be like 4x2=8gb sli ?... | |
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| #1 Re: Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M | Andrew, 12:02 02.07 |
I am a fan of AMD so I want a laptop with 7970M, but this ENDURO problem concern me it seems like a big problem. My question is: If I buy a laptop armed with 7970M and AMD releases a patch in near future, will this patch fix it? Or if I buy 7970M now, ENDURO switching is beyond repair?Thank you... | |
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