AMD FirePro W4190M vs AMD FirePro W7170M vs AMD FirePro W4170M

AMD FirePro W4190M

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The AMD FirePro W4190M is a professional workstation graphics card for laptops. It is based on the same Mars chip as the AMD Radeon HD 8790M and AMD FirePro W4170M and similarly clocked. Therefore, the GPU takes position in the lower mid-range of mobile laptop graphics cards as of 2015. Thanks to its optimized drivers, the W4190M offers a very good performance in professional 3D applications like CAD, while the gaming performance is similar to a Nvidia GeForce 840M / Radeon HD 8790M.

The AMD FirePro M4100 series is based on the GCN architecture and therefore supports DirectX 12. The 384 shader cores can also be used with OpenCL as 6 compute units.

AMD FirePro W7170M

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The AMD FirePro W7170M is a high-end graphics card for mobile workstations. It is based on the same Tonga-chip as the AMD Radeon R9 M390X and seems to be similar clocked. Therefore, the card is based on the third generation of the GCN architecture (GCN 1.2) and supports DirectX 12 (FL 12_0). 

The FirePro series offers certified drivers that are optimized for stability and performance in professional applications like CAD or DCC. OpenGL performance, for example, should be significantly better compared to GeForce graphics cards of similar specifications.

The performance should be theoretically in the same ballpark as the Nvidia Quadro M4000M. In 3D games, the W7170M should perform similar to the R9 M390X consumer card.

The power consumption of the W7170M should be similar to the Quadro M5000M and M4000M cards and therefore in the 100 Watt region. That means it is suited only for large laptops with e.g. 17-inch screens.

AMD FirePro W4170M

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The AMD FirePro W4170M is a professional workstation graphics card for laptops. It is based on the same Mars chip as the AMD Radeon HD 8790M and similarly clocked. Therefore, the GPU takes position in the mid-range of mobile laptop graphics cards as of 2013. Thanks to its optimized drivers, the W4170M offers a very good performance in professional 3D applications like CAD, while the gaming performance is similar to a Nvidia GeForce GT 750M.

The AMD FirePro M4100 series is based on the GCN architecture and therefore supports DirectX 11.2. The 384 shader cores can also be used with OpenCL as 6 compute units.

The AMD FirePro W4170M was first announced in the Dell Precision M2800 which is remarkably similar to the Dell Latitude E6540 (see our review) that offers a AMD Radeon HD 8790M.

AMD FirePro W4190MAMD FirePro W7170MAMD FirePro W4170M
ManufacturerAMDAMDAMD
FirePro W Series
FirePro W7170M 2048 @ 723 MHz256 Bit @ 5000 MHz
FirePro W5170M 640 @ 925 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4500 MHz
FirePro W5130M 512 @ 925 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4000 MHz
FirePro W4170M 384 @ 850 - 900 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4000 MHz
FirePro W4190M 384 @ 825 - 900 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4000 MHz
FirePro W7170M 2048 @ 723 MHz256 Bit @ 5000 MHz
FirePro W5170M 640 @ 925 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4500 MHz
FirePro W5130M 512 @ 925 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4000 MHz
FirePro W4170M 384 @ 850 - 900 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4000 MHz
FirePro W4190M 384 @ 825 - 900 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4000 MHz
FirePro W7170M 2048 @ 723 MHz256 Bit @ 5000 MHz
FirePro W5170M 640 @ 925 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4500 MHz
FirePro W5130M 512 @ 925 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4000 MHz
FirePro W4170M 384 @ 850 - 900 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4000 MHz
FirePro W4190M 384 @ 825 - 900 (Boost) MHz128 Bit @ 4000 MHz
CodenameMars XTX?TongaMars XTX?
ArchitectureGCNGCN 3GCN
384 - 2048 - 384 -
Core825 - 900 (Boost) MHz723 MHz850 - 900 (Boost) MHz
Memory4000 MHz5000 MHz4000 MHz
Bus128 Bit256 Bit128 Bit
MemoryGDDR5GDDR5GDDR5
Max. Memory2048 MB4096 MB2048 MB
nonono
DirectXDirectX 11.2, 5.0DirectX 12 (FL 12_0), 5.0DirectX 11.2, 5.0
Transistors900 Million5000 Million900 Million
Technology28 nm28 nm28 nm
FeaturesApp Acceleration, PowerPlay, PowerTune, ZeroCore, Enduro, PCI Express 3.0 x16DirectX 12, OpenCL 1.2, OpenGL 4.3, Vulkan, Mantle, Eyefinity, Enduro, App Acceleration, HD3DApp Acceleration, PowerPlay, PowerTune, ZeroCore, Enduro, PCI Express 3.0 x16
Size
Introduced12.11.2015 02.10.2015 16.11.2012
Manufacturerhttp://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphi...http://www.amd.com/us/products/workstati...

3DMark - Cloud Gate Standard Score 1280x720
min: 6567     avg: 7603     median: 7894 (13%)     max: 8348 Points
21612 Points (35%)
10501 Points (17%)
3DMark - Cloud Gate Standard Graphics 1280x720
min: 8513     avg: 11143.7     median: 12317 (7%)     max: 12601 Points
43124 Points (23%)
12506 Points (7%)
3DMark - Fire Strike Score 1920x1080
min: 1517     avg: 1630.3     median: 1663 (6%)     max: 1711 Points
6180 Points (23%)
1694 Points (6%)
3DMark - Fire Strike Graphics 1920x1080
min: 1588     avg: 1713     median: 1745 (4%)     max: 1806 Points
6935 Points (17%)
1766 Points (4%)
3DMark - Ice Storm Standard Graphics 1280x720
min: 35930     avg: 39703.5     median: 39703 (5%)     max: 43477 Points
132164 Points (18%)
93515 Points (12%)
3DMark 11 - Performance 1280x720
min: 2173     avg: 2451.3     median: 2570 (7%)     max: 2611 points
9580 points (27%)
2629 points (8%)
3DMark 11 - Performance GPU 1280x720
min: 1932     avg: 2220.7     median: 2351 (5%)     max: 2379 points
9708 points (19%)
2315 points (5%)
3DMark Vantage
P Result 1280x1024 + AMD FirePro W7170M
P GPU no PhysX 1280x1024 + AMD FirePro W7170M
3DMark 06 Standard 1280x1024 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Standard 1280x1024 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Standard 1280x1024 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Unigine Valley 1.0 - Extreme HD DirectX 1920x1080
min: 6     avg: 7.3     median: 7 (4%)     max: 8 fps
30.7 fps (19%)
Unigine Heaven 3.0 - DX 11, Normal Tessellation, High Shaders 1920x1080
76.9 fps (29%)
22.4 fps (8%)
Unigine Heaven 3.0 - OpenGL, Normal Tessellation, High Shaders 1920x1080
59.3 fps (34%)
17.6 fps (10%)
Unigine Heaven 2.1 - high, Tesselation (normal), DirectX11 1280x1024
112.5 fps (50%)
31.1 fps (14%)
SPECviewperf 11
Siemens NX 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Siemens NX 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Siemens NX 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Tcvis 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Tcvis 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Tcvis 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4170M
SolidWorks 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4190M
SolidWorks 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W7170M
SolidWorks 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Pro/ENGINEER 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Pro/ENGINEER 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Pro/ENGINEER 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Maya 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Maya 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Maya 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Lightwave 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Lightwave 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Lightwave 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Ensight 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Ensight 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Ensight 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Catia 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Catia 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Catia 1920x1080 + AMD FirePro W4170M
SPECviewperf 12
Solidworks (sw-03) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Solidworks (sw-03) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Solidworks (sw-03) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Siemens NX (snx-02) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Siemens NX (snx-02) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Siemens NX (snx-02) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Showcase (showcase-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Showcase (showcase-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Showcase (showcase-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Medical (medical-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Medical (medical-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Medical (medical-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Maya (maya-04) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Maya (maya-04) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Maya (maya-04) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Energy (energy-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Energy (energy-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Energy (energy-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Creo (creo-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Creo (creo-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Creo (creo-01) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4170M
Catia (catia-04) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Catia (catia-04) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W7170M
Catia (catia-04) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4170M
3ds Max (3dsmax-05) 1900x1060 + AMD FirePro W4190M
Windows 7 Experience Index - Gaming graphics
6.9 points (99%)
6.9 points (99%)
Windows 7 Experience Index - Graphics
6.9 points (99%)
6.9 points (99%)
Cinebench R10 Shading 32Bit + AMD FirePro W4190M
Shading 32Bit + AMD FirePro W7170M
Shading 32Bit + AMD FirePro W4170M
Cinebench R11.5 OpenGL 64Bit + AMD FirePro W4190M
OpenGL 64Bit + AMD FirePro W7170M
OpenGL 64Bit + AMD FirePro W4170M
Cinebench R15
OpenGL 64Bit + AMD FirePro W4190M
OpenGL 64Bit + AMD FirePro W7170M
OpenGL 64Bit + AMD FirePro W4170M
Ref. Match 64Bit + AMD FirePro W4190M
Ref. Match 64Bit + AMD FirePro W7170M
Ref. Match 64Bit + AMD FirePro W4170M
LuxMark v2.0 64Bit - Room GPUs-only
min: 415     avg: 423     median: 423 (8%)     max: 431 Samples/s
782 Samples/s (15%)
256 Samples/s (5%)
LuxMark v2.0 64Bit - Sala GPUs-only
min: 924     avg: 980.7     median: 984 (9%)     max: 1034 Samples/s
1412 Samples/s (13%)
462 Samples/s (4%)
ComputeMark v2.1 - Normal, Score 1024x600
902 Points (3%)
925 Points (3%)
Power Consumption - Witcher 3 ultra - Power Consumption *
46.7 Watt (10%)

Average Benchmarks AMD FirePro W4190M → 100%

Average Benchmarks AMD FirePro W7170M → 231%

Average Benchmarks AMD FirePro W4170M → 98%

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* Smaller numbers mean a higher performance
1 This benchmark is not used for the average calculation

low 1280x720
100%
FirePro W4190M:
9.3  fps
med. 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
5.1  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
4.7  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
low 1280x720
100%
FirePro W4190M:
19.4  fps
med. 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
9  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
6.2  fps
ultra 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
3.6  fps
FirePro W4190M:
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F1 2017

F1 2017

2017
low 1280x720
100%
FirePro W4190M:
40  fps
med. 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
18  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
14  fps
ultra 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
13  fps
FirePro W4190M:
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Dirt 4

Dirt 4

2017
low 1280x720
100%
FirePro W4190M:
33.3 (!)  fps
med. 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
10.5 (!)  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
7.7 (!)  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
low 1280x720
100%
FirePro W4190M:
101.7  fps
med. 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
39.1  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
26.5  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
low 1280x720
100%
FirePro W4190M:
23.7  fps
med. 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
10.9  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
9.4  fps
ultra 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
5.4  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
Doom

Doom

2016
low 1280x720
100%
FirePro W4190M:
23.5  fps
med. 1366x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
13.9  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
8.9  fps
ultra 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
4.9  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
low 1024x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
25.6  fps
med. 1366x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
14 17.4 ~ 16 fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
8 9.9 ~ 9 fps
ultra 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
7.9  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
Anno 2205

Anno 2205

2015
low 1024x768
FirePro W7170M:
146  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
93  fps
high 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
43  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
20  fps
FirePro W7170M:
»
low 1024x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
59.9  fps
med. 1366x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
42.3  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
18.9  fps
ultra 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
13  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
low 1024x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
28.5 28.6 ~ 29 fps
334%
FirePro W7170M:
97  fps
med. 1366x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
17.4 18.5 ~ 18 fps
400%
FirePro W7170M:
72  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
9.7 9.7 ~ 10 fps
310%
FirePro W7170M:
31  fps
ultra 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
5.7 fps ~ 6 fps
383%
FirePro W7170M:
23  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
FirePro W7170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W7170M:
278  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
187  fps
high 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
89  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
63  fps
FirePro W7170M:
»
GTA V

GTA V

2015
low 1024x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
72.7  fps
med. 1366x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
61  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
17.3  fps
ultra 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
7.1  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
F1 2014

F1 2014

2014
low 1024x768
FirePro W7170M:
132  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
111  fps
high 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
95  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
74  fps
FirePro W7170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W7170M:
101  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
93  fps
high 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
43  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
15  fps
FirePro W7170M:
»
low 1280x720
100%
FirePro W4190M:
20  fps
885%
FirePro W7170M:
177  fps
med. 1344x756
100%
FirePro W4190M:
16  fps
788%
FirePro W7170M:
126  fps
high 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
11  fps
636%
FirePro W7170M:
70  fps
ultra 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
2  fps
2600%
FirePro W7170M:
52  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
FirePro W7170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W7170M:
232  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
116  fps
high 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
99  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
67  fps
FirePro W7170M:
»
Thief

Thief

2014
low 1024x768
FirePro W7170M:
62  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
57  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
57  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
40  fps
FirePro W7170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W7170M:
185  fps
FirePro W4170M:
86  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
162  fps
FirePro W4170M:
67  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
153  fps
FirePro W4170M:
55.2  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
36  fps
FirePro W4170M:
9  fps
FirePro W7170M:
»
FirePro W4170M:
»
low 1024x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
39.3  fps
145%
FirePro W7170M:
57  fps
99%
FirePro W4170M:
38.8  fps
med. 1366x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
30.5  fps
184%
FirePro W7170M:
56  fps
102%
FirePro W4170M:
31.2  fps
high 1366x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
17.2  fps
320%
FirePro W7170M:
55  fps
113%
FirePro W4170M:
19.5  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
28  fps
FirePro W4170M:
7.3  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
FirePro W7170M:
»
FirePro W4170M:
»
GRID 2

GRID 2

2013
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
112  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
87  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
62  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
19  fps
FirePro W4170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W7170M:
120  fps
FirePro W4170M:
65.8  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
112  fps
FirePro W4170M:
45.4  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
94  fps
FirePro W4170M:
23.5  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
44  fps
FirePro W4170M:
11.3  fps
FirePro W7170M:
»
FirePro W4170M:
»
low 1280x720
100%
FirePro W4190M:
85.2 100.9 101.9 ~ 96 fps
229%
FirePro W7170M:
220  fps
113%
FirePro W4170M:
108  fps
med. 1366x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
38.4 53.4 53.9 ~ 49 fps
363%
FirePro W7170M:
178  fps
114%
FirePro W4170M:
56  fps
high 1366x768
100%
FirePro W4190M:
34.1 45.4 46.9 ~ 42 fps
376%
FirePro W7170M:
158  fps
117%
FirePro W4170M:
49  fps
ultra 1920x1080
100%
FirePro W4190M:
13.6 15.5 15.9 ~ 15 fps
440%
FirePro W7170M:
66  fps
113%
FirePro W4170M:
17  fps
FirePro W4190M:
»
FirePro W7170M:
»
FirePro W4170M:
»
SimCity

SimCity

2013
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
93  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
39  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
28  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
18  fps
FirePro W4170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W7170M:
375  fps
FirePro W4170M:
131  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
224  fps
FirePro W4170M:
61  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W7170M:
167  fps
FirePro W4170M:
42  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W7170M:
51  fps
FirePro W4170M:
11  fps
FirePro W7170M:
»
FirePro W4170M:
»
Far Cry 3

Far Cry 3

2012
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
63  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
43  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
17  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
8  fps
FirePro W4170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
45  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
41  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
32  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
18  fps
FirePro W4170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
106  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
65  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
48  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
21  fps
FirePro W4170M:
»
Torchlight 2

Torchlight 2

2012
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
115  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
98  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
83  fps
FirePro W4170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
106.1  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
77.8  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
34.7  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
5  fps
FirePro W4170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
147  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
89  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
76  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
52  fps
FirePro W4170M:
»
Anno 2070

Anno 2070

2011
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
158  fps
med. 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
71  fps
high 1366x768
FirePro W4170M:
43  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
20  fps
FirePro W4170M:
»
Total War: Shogun 2

Total War: Shogun 2

2011
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
222  fps
med. 1280x720
FirePro W4170M:
44.7  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
17.5  fps
FirePro W4170M:
»
low 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
271  fps
med. 1360x768
FirePro W4170M:
84  fps
high 1360x768
FirePro W4170M:
47  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
25  fps
FirePro W4170M:
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Sims 3

Sims 3

2009
low 800x600
FirePro W4170M:
430  fps
med. 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
204  fps
high 1280x1024
FirePro W4170M:
162  fps
FirePro W4170M:
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World of Warcraft

World of Warcraft

2005
low 800x600
FirePro W4170M:
321  fps
med. 1024x768
FirePro W4170M:
237  fps
high 1280x1024
FirePro W4170M:
61  fps
ultra 1920x1080
FirePro W4170M:
30  fps
FirePro W4170M:
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Average Gaming AMD FirePro W4190M → 100%

Average Gaming AMD FirePro W7170M → 560%

Average Gaming AMD FirePro W4170M → 110%

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